What's wrong with the template availability concept? Did you know you can 
specify your own template availability class in the site definition? You could 
even just return true if you want to allow all templates on all levels of the 
sites in all circumstances. We certainly don't allow this to our editors and I 
think the template availability concept is great. The default implementation is 
a bit of a long messy block of code, but that didn't keep us from writing some 
code to be able to specify our template availability setups a little cleaner.

I'd also like to hear what your problems with autogenerated paragrahs and 
navigation are.

Nils.
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Van: [email protected] [[email protected]] namens 
Unger, Richard [[email protected]]
Verzonden: maandag 21 maart 2011 10:42
Aan: Magnolia User-List
Onderwerp: AW: [magnolia-user]  Setting up a site in Magnolia and usage of STK

Hi Tomas!

We're setting up an Enterprise sized installation of Magnolia for our customer.

We decided to follow a "hybrid" approach:
* Our template and template-model classes inherit from STK base models, we use 
DAM and imaging
* We use the ETK multi-site and site definitions, template definitions and 
template prototype
* We don't directly use any of the STK templates or paragraphs
* We extend the base template, template-model, site and template-availability 
classes with some custom functionality

We chose this path because:

* In this way, we feel we have all the power and flexibility of STK, but hope 
to avoid problems with upgrades (changes in the templates impacting our sites).
* Our customer's templates only approximately match the STK concepts - we found 
it easier to define our own templates and paragraphs, to more directly match 
the customer's needs.

In particular, the STK does not suit us directly in the following areas:

* the template availability concept
* the "Singleton-Paragraph" generation
* the Navigation

In terms of freemarker vs. JSP, I would strongly recommend freemarker - being 
able to edit the templates inline (or even better, via Webdav) is a very 
compelling feature.

Regards from Vienna,

Richard





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An: [email protected]
Betreff: RE: [magnolia-user] Setting up a site in Magnolia and usage of STK


At this point JSP is our first choice because it is already being used while 
Freemarker is not. Although if it somehow came to our knowledge that we would 
greatly benefit by using Freemarker that could possibly change in the future.

Do you have any thoughts on that? E.g. how is performance in Magnolia for JSP 
vs. Freemarker?

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Behalf Of Jan Haderka [[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 2:15 PM
To: Magnolia User-List
Subject: Re: [magnolia-user]  Setting up a site in Magnolia and usage of STK

On Mar 17, 2011, at 1:27 PM, <[email protected]> 
<[email protected]> wrote:
> make of it. One issue though is that we most likely won't use Freemarker 
> making the pre-made templates unusable for us.

Just curious, is it the corporate policy that forbids the Freemarker and forces 
JSP or do you have other reasons to not wanting to use it?

BTW, Magnolia templates can be mixed, you can have some templates using 
Freemarker and others using JSPs, you can even have both types of the 
paragraphs on the same page. The decision to use one or the other templating 
language doesn't need to be site wide. At least not from the technical point, 
although I could understand if you don't want to have developers having to know 
both.

HTH,
Jan

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