I agree. We have a definite list of complaints about the position of the human figure on the couch. Let's fix that at least. If it is a man then it is a man. I may be a little overly sensitive to these matters currently thanks to #gamergate.
B On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Bryan Green <[email protected]> wrote: > I noticed you too seem to assume it is a man on the couch? Also, I am > glad that you point out that the logo does not have anything to do with > your use of CouchDB-- that encourages me to think that it will not be as > big of an issue to change it. > > It may not offend you, but apparently it offends some people. This is a > bad thing for a logo. I think this is why it is rare for the human figure > to be common in most logos. Most keep logos very simple. > > Bryan > On Oct 28, 2014 8:24 AM, "Maria" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 12:52:23 +0100 >> Lena Reinhard <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Joan, thanks for sharing the experiences you had. I find it quite >> > interesting that it's been happening a few times even, and I'm glad >> > people shared their thoughts on it. >> > >> > First, as far as I perceive the topic, this is not just about the >> > question if people just "like" the logo or don't. It's about people >> > feeling offended by it. And thus, it would not be about personal >> > taste or preferences. (Side note, as we're talking about "what does >> > the logo remind us of?" – http://savingroomforcats.tumblr.com/ ) >> > >> > Secondly, this is not necessarily about the intentions of the logo. >> > It may have been created depicting a person without an explicit >> > gender expression, and that would be completely alright. But good >> > intentions do generally not mean that the intention aligns with the >> > final perception. That's one of the basics of human interaction and >> > communication, and our logo is part of what we communicate around >> > this project. This logo is even a very central part, as it can be >> > recognised very well, it has a prominient spot on most of CouchDB's >> > web sites, and we even have stickers with it. A consequence of this >> > can (worst case) even be that people stay away from the community >> > because the logo communicates to them that it's not a place for them. >> > >> > And as this obviously can be read as offensive by people, imo it's >> > our responsibility as a community to discuss this issue and how to >> > handle this – not based on the question whether we individually >> > "like" the logo or not, but on the question whether people could find >> > it offensive (which some obviously do) and how we handle this – e.g. >> > who could think of alternative versions of the logo, and similar >> > questions. We are a community which has recently put up a Code of >> > Conduct and Diversity statement, and as such, I see caring about this >> > topic as part of our responsibility here. >> >> Someone somewhere is offended because their dirty imagination sees a >> man on a couch inviting a girl over for some lewd action. >> So? >> There is always someone that is offended. Specially those that try >> very hard to be offended. >> >> <sarcasm> >> As a woman I pick databases based on the logo. The more girls with pink >> dresses and sparkling stars the better. Technical reasons like >> replication and solving conflicts have nothing to do with it. >> And I find a man relaxing on a couch so offensive that I will change the >> database I use. >> </sarcasm> >> >> // Maria >> >> > On 28 Oct 2014, at 11:58, Bryan Green <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > When the image lacks detail to signify it is not a man it will be >> > > thought to be male. IRL. >> > > On Oct 28, 2014 5:54 AM, "Benoit Chesneau" <[email protected]> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Nick North <[email protected]> >> > >> wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> I don't see anything offensive in the attitude of the man on the >> > >>> couch. >> > >> But >> > >>> I would be more sympathetic to the complaint that it is >> > >>> definitely a man, in a very male attitude, and that might be >> > >>> enough to put some women off becoming involved in the community. >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> sure that is totally a man position: >> > >> >> > >> http://www.boijmans.nl/nl/116/nieuwsbrief/newsletteritem/421 >> > >> >> > >> >> http://artobserved.com/2009/07/go-see-madrid-henri-matisse-at-museo-thyssen-bornemisza-through-september-20-2009/ >> > >> >> > >> Seriously, can people just go back IRL. >> > >> >> > >> - benoit >> > >> >> > >> >>
