On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:33:13 -0500 Bryan Green <[email protected]> wrote:
> I noticed you too seem to assume it is a man on the couch? Also, I > am glad that you point out that the logo does not have anything to do > with your use of CouchDB-- that encourages me to think that it will > not be as big of an issue to change it. When I first saw the logo I got the impression that it was showing Damien Katz relaxing :) // Maria > It may not offend you, but apparently it offends some people. This > is a bad thing for a logo. I think this is why it is rare for the > human figure to be common in most logos. Most keep logos very simple. > > Bryan > On Oct 28, 2014 8:24 AM, "Maria" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 12:52:23 +0100 > > Lena Reinhard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Joan, thanks for sharing the experiences you had. I find it quite > > > interesting that it's been happening a few times even, and I'm > > > glad people shared their thoughts on it. > > > > > > First, as far as I perceive the topic, this is not just about the > > > question if people just "like" the logo or don't. It's about > > > people feeling offended by it. And thus, it would not be about > > > personal taste or preferences. (Side note, as we're talking about > > > "what does the logo remind us of?" – > > > http://savingroomforcats.tumblr.com/ ) > > > > > > Secondly, this is not necessarily about the intentions of the > > > logo. It may have been created depicting a person without an > > > explicit gender expression, and that would be completely alright. > > > But good intentions do generally not mean that the intention > > > aligns with the final perception. That's one of the basics of > > > human interaction and communication, and our logo is part of what > > > we communicate around this project. This logo is even a very > > > central part, as it can be recognised very well, it has a > > > prominient spot on most of CouchDB's web sites, and we even have > > > stickers with it. A consequence of this can (worst case) even be > > > that people stay away from the community because the logo > > > communicates to them that it's not a place for them. > > > > > > And as this obviously can be read as offensive by people, imo it's > > > our responsibility as a community to discuss this issue and how to > > > handle this – not based on the question whether we individually > > > "like" the logo or not, but on the question whether people could > > > find it offensive (which some obviously do) and how we handle > > > this – e.g. who could think of alternative versions of the logo, > > > and similar questions. We are a community which has recently put > > > up a Code of Conduct and Diversity statement, and as such, I see > > > caring about this topic as part of our responsibility here. > > > > Someone somewhere is offended because their dirty imagination sees a > > man on a couch inviting a girl over for some lewd action. > > So? > > There is always someone that is offended. Specially those that try > > very hard to be offended. > > > > <sarcasm> > > As a woman I pick databases based on the logo. The more girls with > > pink dresses and sparkling stars the better. Technical reasons like > > replication and solving conflicts have nothing to do with it. > > And I find a man relaxing on a couch so offensive that I will > > change the database I use. > > </sarcasm> > > > > // Maria > > > > > On 28 Oct 2014, at 11:58, Bryan Green <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > When the image lacks detail to signify it is not a man it will > > > > be thought to be male. IRL. > > > > On Oct 28, 2014 5:54 AM, "Benoit Chesneau" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Nick North > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> I don't see anything offensive in the attitude of the man on > > > >>> the couch. > > > >> But > > > >>> I would be more sympathetic to the complaint that it is > > > >>> definitely a man, in a very male attitude, and that might be > > > >>> enough to put some women off becoming involved in the > > > >>> community. > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> sure that is totally a man position: > > > >> > > > >> http://www.boijmans.nl/nl/116/nieuwsbrief/newsletteritem/421 > > > >> > > > >> > > http://artobserved.com/2009/07/go-see-madrid-henri-matisse-at-museo-thyssen-bornemisza-through-september-20-2009/ > > > >> > > > >> Seriously, can people just go back IRL. > > > >> > > > >> - benoit > > > >> > > > > > > >
