IMO it seems that q4e and m2eclipse has finally lit a fire in the eclipse community to bring quality maven support to the IDE. So, hooray for both!
On Dec 17, 2007 1:04 PM, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 17 Dec 07, at 11:57 AM 17 Dec 07, Andy Dingfelder wrote: > > > Before folks flame Mark, I would point out that he really asked > > multiple questions, some of which are versy good: > > > > 1 (RE the proposal to make q4e the eclipse standard) What are > > people's thoughts about this? > > Just a brief note as not to incite panic. > > 1. Q4E making a proposal at Eclipse by doesn't, by any stretch of the > imagination, mean that it's going to be official anything. The > proposal has been accepted, that doesn't mean it's been accepted as a > project. So becoming an official project is a hurdle and I have > already talked with folks like Jeff McAffer, and Mike Milinkovich > about bringing m2eclipse to Eclipse. > > 2. Q4E has no paid developers, while Sonatype has recently started > paying developers to work full-time on the integration. > > 3. Q4E has zero diversity, go look at the proposal. The draft proposal > for m2eclipse has the support of many large companies, and many > organizations that want to integrate m2eclipse. Theses companies have > zero interest in Q4E. And I mean big companies. > > 4. Any project once at Eclipse goes through a long process to get > included into the platform. That will not happen for at least a year. > The fastest turn around time for a technology project getting into the > platform is 18 months for Mylyn. This is not a short process. The > proposal for Q4E being accepted really means nothing. They don't have > any mentors and until such a time the project won't be accepted. Folks > at Eclipse know my intention to submit a proposal. So there might be > some initial mumblings, but when people see our proposal and the > support we have there isn't going to be any questions what codebase > will be the official one. > > 5. No one working on Q4E actually does anything on the Maven project. > The folks working on the embedder, or the technology used to embed > Maven, are myself, and John Casey primarily. So it's not likely any > other project is going be able to effectively do the work. So Sonatype > pays people full-time to work on Maven and to work on the integration. > > 6. My personal opinion is that Q4E is a failed marketing tactic by a > failed attempt at a company and won't be going anywhere soon. I > wouldn't put much credence in the blogosphere and marketing FUD. > > 7. I plan to support m2eclipse for a long time. That's means real > dollars and continued work on Maven's core to support the integration > effort. > > > > > > > I think this is the most particularly relevant question asked and > > needs more discussion > > > > 2. Have you used Q4E, what did you think? > > > > As Eugene pointed out, we don't want to spend a lot of time here > > discussing the pros and cons of q4e, thats what their mailing list > > is for. The last thing we want is for q4e folks to get defensive on > > these lists if folks here post negative items about q4e. > > Having said that, discussions centered around comparisons between > > the 2 products perhaps may not be welcome on their list either, so > > where does such a discussion belong? Perhaps someone needs a blog > > or 3rd party "neutral" area where a comparison could be presented. > > > > 3. Will this (eventually) mean the end of m2eclipse? > > > > I saw Eugene's response (As for m2eclipse, there are no plans to > > discontinue the project.) and I hope this holds true for a long time. > > > > The important thing to consider here is that this type of situation > > has already occurred in eclipse and we need to be ready for it as > > well. Consider subversion for example, where there have been 2 > > competing projects (Subclipse vs Subversive) fighting for entry as > > an "official" part of eclipse. > > > > So, I leave you with a question: > > > > Do we "allow" q4e to be unchallenged as the only official maven > > integrator? or do put m2 forward as well as a candidate? > > > > My feel is that if they DO get added as the sole "official" maven > > plugin, we will have a hard time getting people to use m2 as a 3rd > > party plugin. Why would people bother adding an extra plugin if a > > different one already does the job by default? > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Please consider the environment before printing this email > > > > WARNING: This email and any attachments may be confidential and/or > > privileged. > > They are intended for the addressee only and are not to be read, > > used, copied or > > disseminated by anyone receiving them in error. 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