Sound great to me Ian. I guess what I'm wondering is if you're really interested in this, what is YOUR plan to make it so? I guess in other words, it sounds like you don't like my landing strip. So what would your landing strip look like, and what are your plans for creating it?
-David On Jan 20, 2007, at 2:33 AM, Ian McNulty wrote:
Yeah. OK Chris. Very funny, but... OFBiz is already half way down that 13 year road.And who's to say that Mark Shuttleworth isn't monitoring this group on his laptop 35,000 feet over the Pacific and wondering if it might be worth dropping in.But if you don't think it's worth bothering to clear a landing strip, then that could never happen. ;)Ian Chris Howe wrote:It only took Debian 13 years to create a users list and the keen interest of a billionaire philanthropist. I think we could get a _real users list with either half of that equation. Who's with me? ;-) --- Ian McNulty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Nothing at all wrong with the link. It's what it's linking too that's the problem. The topics... the layout... everything speaks to me of engineering plans, not flight plans. To start building a flight plan you need a blank page, not one that is already half full with wiring diagrams. Even Anil thought he was talking to the Dev not the Users list !!! Imo there is no users list. If a pilot came across ofbiz.apache.org he would know at first glance he was in the wrong place. The difference is between www.ubuntu.com/ andwww.debian.org/ The first welcomes the uninitiated and draws them in. The second looks like a wonderful resource for engineers. We're not talkingabout all the manuals and small print inside the box. Where talking about what it says at first glance on the tin. I think I can see where the confusion arises. You can focus on one or the other, but you can'tfocus on both on the same page. (Yes, I know this contradicts my earlierpost. But it's a question of focus. On the user pages the wiringneeds to be there, but buried behind the dashboard. On the engineeringpages the reverse it true.) On Si's recommendation I've started reading Bruce Eckel's 'Thinking In Java.' In Chapter 1 under 'The hiddenimplementation' he draws a distinction between 'Class Creators' and 'ClientProgrammers.' Client Programmers are users of the objects producedby Class Creators - much of which they are deliberately locked out fromto prevent them monkeying around with things they do not fully understand. To me, the Dev list is for class creators. The Users list for Client Programmers. There is no users list. Ian David E. Jones wrote:Is there something wrong with the current OFBizwiki linked to below?http://docs.ofbiz.org/pages/listpages-dirview.action?key=OFBIZ-David On Jan 18, 2007, at 1:23 PM, Leon Torres wrote:I also believe it would be worthwhile toexperiment with an openofbiz wiki. As the ofbiz community continues togrow, we willcertainly attain the critical mass necessary tomake such a thing work.For instance, we've authored a bunch of cookbooksin .txt formatabout specific tricks and how-to's in OFBIZ:http://www.opensourcestrategies.com/ofbiz/tutorials.php--------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------Unfortunately contributing to those is hardbecause it takes aninvestment in time to read, verify, and updatethe documents on ourend. If they were in the form of an open wiki,it would be fareasier to expand on them. - Leon Florin Jurcovici wrote:IMO, an open wiki is the right thing to do. Evenif I had someexperience which I'd like to share, if the wikiis closed orrestricted, I cannot. Some maintainers shouldreview docsoccasionally and correct or delete them if theyare not OK, maybedraw an outline of the documentation at thebeginning then letwhoever is willing to fill the pages. 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