David,

Reading all this stuff - particularly your replies to Jonathon - I've started to hear this old Beatles number buzzing around in my head:

"I say yes.
You say no,
You say why?
I say I don't know.

Oh no.

You say goodbye,
And I say Hello.

I don't know why you say goodbye I say hello"

The way I read it, Jonathon's gone out of his way to say everything anybody could possibly say to try and reassure everybody that a fork is the very last thing he would want. What more could you want?


Lastly a quick question: why do you keep saying my name? What in blazes does ANY OF THIS have to do with me?

Ehr... Well... Last time I looked at the Apache minutes, you were Vice President of OFBiz. So it's not hard to see why people might make the mistake that it's all got quite a lot to do with you.

I don't own OFBiz. I don't control OFBiz. I don't even implement most of what goes into OFBiz any more. I'm just a moderator trying to keep things flowing smoothly for the project and clarify to the best of what I can see what is and isn't a good idea. I can't force anyone to do anything, nor can I even manage and moderate every bit that makes it into the project. That just isn't realistic. This is why there is an organization and why we need more people involved with the project.

OK. Fair enough. But even in the most ideal democracy, there has to be someone at the wheel. Without it ships drift onto the rocks and crews dissolve into back-biting chaos.

I don't know if you've ever read any of Bill Onken's and Ken Blanchard's Monkey management stuff. A monkey is whatever the next move is when the meeting ends. Managers who take everybody else's monkeys on their own backs quickly go under. So imho you are absolutely right to bat them off.

Trouble is, if there isn't a clear chain of backs you can bat the monkeys on to, you have a load of very anxious monkeys looking for any kind of back to land on.

Delegation is the key. If you don't have time, then can't you delegate the delegation to somebody one step down the chain?


So, yes, you can create your own project and try to recruit people to it. I just hope you have a long term sustainable plan, direction, and scope for it.

There you go again. The way I read it, the only person suggesting creating another project around here is you. Is this wishful thinking and a self-fulfilling prophecy or what?


Ian

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