Andrew,
Wise words as always. Couldn't agree with you more.
I stopped trying to petition weeks ago. Since then I've just been
batting off the flack.
I've actually contributed much more time to this than I wanted to. Keep
trying to get off.
I started off suggesting a users forum. Not my fault if all I can find
is stony ground.
I'm not looking for a pot of cash. Just a bit of space and some fertile
ground to try and grow one.
Ian
Andrew Sykes wrote:
This thread is going on a bit :-)
Perhaps we need a new ML just for this!
I guess the bottom line with all this stuff is that you can't get OFBiz
to do what you want by petitioning, only by contributing (either funds
or time).
David (or anyone else) isn't sitting on a pot of cash that he
distributes to developers based on the demand for a feature or project
direction.
- Andrew
On Tue, 2007-01-23 at 10:04 +0000, Ian McNulty wrote:
David,
Reading all this stuff - particularly your replies to Jonathon - I've
started to hear this old Beatles number buzzing around in my head:
"I say yes.
You say no,
You say why?
I say I don't know.
Oh no.
You say goodbye,
And I say Hello.
I don't know why you say goodbye I say hello"
The way I read it, Jonathon's gone out of his way to say everything
anybody could possibly say to try and reassure everybody that a fork is
the very last thing he would want. What more could you want?
Lastly a quick question: why do you keep saying my name? What in
blazes does ANY OF THIS have to do with me?
Ehr... Well... Last time I looked at the Apache minutes, you were Vice
President of OFBiz. So it's not hard to see why people might make the
mistake that it's all got quite a lot to do with you.
I don't own OFBiz. I don't control OFBiz. I don't even implement most
of what goes into OFBiz any more. I'm just a moderator trying to keep
things flowing smoothly for the project and clarify to the best of
what I can see what is and isn't a good idea. I can't force anyone to
do anything, nor can I even manage and moderate every bit that makes
it into the project. That just isn't realistic. This is why there is
an organization and why we need more people involved with the project.
OK. Fair enough. But even in the most ideal democracy, there has to be
someone at the wheel. Without it ships drift onto the rocks and crews
dissolve into back-biting chaos.
I don't know if you've ever read any of Bill Onken's and Ken Blanchard's
Monkey management stuff. A monkey is whatever the next move is when the
meeting ends. Managers who take everybody else's monkeys on their own
backs quickly go under. So imho you are absolutely right to bat them off.
Trouble is, if there isn't a clear chain of backs you can bat the
monkeys on to, you have a load of very anxious monkeys looking for any
kind of back to land on.
Delegation is the key. If you don't have time, then can't you delegate
the delegation to somebody one step down the chain?
So, yes, you can create your own project and try to recruit people to
it. I just hope you have a long term sustainable plan, direction, and
scope for it.
There you go again. The way I read it, the only person suggesting
creating another project around here is you. Is this wishful thinking
and a self-fulfilling prophecy or what?
Ian
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