All, <rant> I second David's Comments. It has been a challenge reading the posts here and on the forums lately. A lot of BMW (Bitching, Moaning, Whining) lately. It's easy to understand why David Jones, et al, are possibly a little frustrated (or what seems frustrated) in some of their replies to the group. As a newbie, I lurk around here to see what others are doing, where their challenges are and to learn. What I've see for the past week or two is only about 35% helpful. Spirited discussions are helpful, to a point, then they just become noise. Therefore, I offer... My 2 cents, and it's worth what you paid for it. 1) If you don't like something, fix it and contribute it back to the community. Otherwise, ask for help and respect the answer you've been given. 2) Remember, we are a community, and as such, there will be things that we love, things we hate, and things we can be ambivalent about. You choose which is which. And, if you hate it, see #1. 3) There is a lot of work to be done, so find out what you love or hate in #2 and make it better. 4) Contribute, be part of the cause, play a part, share, and most of all, have fun building this OfBiz community. </rant> Thanks for reading, John McAdams Application Development Team Lead State of Oregon DHS.OIS.AMS 971.673.0111 -- "When debugging, novices insert corrective code; experts remove defective code." -- Richard Pattis
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/24/2007 10:27:47 AM >>> When I read the help forums at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ , I tend to see the same thing. People are complaining about the developers (How could they *possibly* allow something like this to happen?!?!?) or ease of use (I should have to go through *all this* to get it to work! Ubuntu sucks!). Usually someone chimes in and says something to the effect of: "Ubuntu is free software. You're not in much of a position to complain about something when you're getting it for free." Tim Ruppert wrote: > I just wanted to move this topic to something that would be less related > to one particular topic and more related to what appears to be a > deteriorating tone in the user community. > > As everyone knows, there is a A LOT of work constantly going on around > the user & dev communities here at OFBiz - and thanks to this we're > starting to see a bunch of new, potential "power" users coming into the > fold - which is exactly what this community needs. > > When I take a step back from what is going on in my regular work life > and concentrate on the mailing lists, my personal opinion is that there > is a lot of baggin' on OFBiz going on around here! Most of the people > around here are experienced developers who have worked on a number of > different open source projects, so I guess I'm a little surprised by > where things appear to be heading. > > Without going into specifics and calling individual people out on the > carpet, I would like to have everyone just think about these things: > > 1. All committers and experienced OFBiz developers are all working > towards the same goal - to better the project. > 2. When you're not finding something that you need, it's much more > effective to ask where things are found - rather than criticize the > current set up. > 3. If something you want is not available, you can either head a group > that wants to develop / document it, develop it yourself, or get someone > more experienced in OFBiz to champion your cause. > 4. If you NEED something committed back into OFBiz and are on a strict > timeline, build in a small amount of funds to get a committer to look at > it. Often times people are too busy with paying work to look over > EVERYTHING - cash can, at times change priorities for everyone. This is > not to imply that being a committer is a paying gig - just that if your > stuff is a priority more for you than the community, this can help. > 5. It's far less stressful to try to get what you want than it is to be > right! What I mean by this, is think about what you're saying and how > you're saying it. It can go a long way towards getting you what you > really want. > > > Anyways, thanks for listening and I hope this helps people start to > structure their requests & needs in a way that motivates people to help > them. We need everyone to come in and be productive community members > so that we can all work more efficiently - let's see what we can do to > rally around the project! > > Cheers, > Tim > -- > Tim Ruppert > HotWax Media > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > > o:801.649.6594 > f:801.649.6595 > > -- David Shere Steele Rubber Products eBay Programming and Sales http://stores.ebay.com/Steele-Rubber-Products
