Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Jan 24, 2007, at 2:59 PM, John MCADAMS wrote:
All, <rant> I second David's Comments. It has been a challenge reading the posts here and on the forums lately. A lot of BMW (Bitching, Moaning, Whining) lately. It's easy to understand why David Jones, et al, arepossibly a little frustrated (or what seems frustrated) in some of theirreplies to the group. As a newbie, I lurk around here to see what others are doing, where their challenges are and to learn. What I've see for the past week or two is only about 35% helpful. Spirited discussions are helpful, to a point, then they just become noise. Therefore, I offer... My 2 cents, and it's worth what you paid for it. 1) If you don't like something, fix it and contribute it back to the community. Otherwise, ask for help and respect the answer you've been given.2) Remember, we are a community, and as such, there will be things thatwe love, things we hate, and things we can be ambivalent about. You choose which is which. And, if you hate it, see #1.3) There is a lot of work to be done, so find out what you love or hatein #2 and make it better. 4) Contribute, be part of the cause, play a part, share, and most of all, have fun building this OfBiz community. </rant> Thanks for reading, John McAdams Application Development Team Lead State of Oregon DHS.OIS.AMS 971.673.0111 -- "When debugging, novices insert corrective code; experts remove defective code." -- Richard Pattis[EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/24/2007 10:27:47 AM >>>When I read the help forums at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ , I tend tosee the same thing. People are complaining about the developers (Howcould they *possibly* allow something like this to happen?!?!?) or easeof use (I should have to go through *all this* to get it to work! Ubuntu sucks!). Usually someone chimes in and says something to theeffect of: "Ubuntu is free software. You're not in much of a positionto complain about something when you're getting it for free." Tim Ruppert wrote:I just wanted to move this topic to something that would be lessrelatedto one particular topic and more related to what appears to be a deteriorating tone in the user community. As everyone knows, there is a A LOT of work constantly going onaroundthe user & dev communities here at OFBiz - and thanks to this we're starting to see a bunch of new, potential "power" users coming intothefold - which is exactly what this community needs. When I take a step back from what is going on in my regular work lifeand concentrate on the mailing lists, my personal opinion is thatthereis a lot of baggin' on OFBiz going on around here! Most of thepeoplearound here are experienced developers who have worked on a number ofdifferent open source projects, so I guess I'm a little surprised bywhere things appear to be heading. Without going into specifics and calling individual people out on thecarpet, I would like to have everyone just think about these things: 1. All committers and experienced OFBiz developers are all working towards the same goal - to better the project. 2. When you're not finding something that you need, it's much more effective to ask where things are found - rather than criticize the current set up. 3. If something you want is not available, you can either head agroupthat wants to develop / document it, develop it yourself, or getsomeonemore experienced in OFBiz to champion your cause. 4. If you NEED something committed back into OFBiz and are on astricttimeline, build in a small amount of funds to get a committer to lookatit. Often times people are too busy with paying work to look over EVERYTHING - cash can, at times change priorities for everyone. Thisisnot to imply that being a committer is a paying gig - just that ifyourstuff is a priority more for you than the community, this can help. 5. It's far less stressful to try to get what you want than it is toberight! What I mean by this, is think about what you're saying andhowyou're saying it. It can go a long way towards getting you what youreally want. Anyways, thanks for listening and I hope this helps people start to structure their requests & needs in a way that motivates people tohelpthem. We need everyone to come in and be productive communitymembersso that we can all work more efficiently - let's see what we can dotorally around the project! Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595-- David Shere Steele Rubber Products eBay Programming and Sales http://stores.ebay.com/Steele-Rubber-Products
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