Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB, but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be able to get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of ramp up on the existing processes.

Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to their mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over there.

Cheers,
Tim
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On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote:

Jacopo

Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open Source ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an acronym for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a great
ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree
wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning side. I would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice users up to
speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical).

As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and making it earier for real people to use. Both products however need considerable
customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized
businesses.

It is though perfect for VARs like me.

My two $.

Skip

-----Original Message-----
From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init()
catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed:
java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available)


Walter Vaughan wrote:
Len Parker wrote:

I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute
"java -jar ofbiz.jar":

What does "java -version" say?
Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script?

Regarding your boss...
If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are
looking for.

OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that
can be used out of the box.
Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including
commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to fit
their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this:
developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets is
efficient and easy.
There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most
remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill
this gap soon.

Jacopo

If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing
dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal with GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE: This
is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are
options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for something
to show the pointy headed boss).

Welcome aboard!

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Walter




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