Tim Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly.
"Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB". My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for testing. I am implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow. It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz applications, are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to your friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager type person the meaning of these terms: Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is Capture, Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum, etc. etc. If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and they have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would actually be surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a few of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back office applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB, the person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly jargon. Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but critical when needed. That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to use Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using terms understood by the people using them. By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated lots of ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and commercial. Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am committed to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it. What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing agents, the sales folks, and all the rest. Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who contribute have done. Skip -----Original Message----- From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available) Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB, but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be able to get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of ramp up on the existing processes. Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to their mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over there. Cheers, Tim -- Tim Ruppert HotWax Media http://www.hotwaxmedia.com o:801.649.6594 f:801.649.6595 On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote: Jacopo Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open Source ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an acronym for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a great ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning side. I would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice users up to speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical). As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and making it earier for real people to use. Both products however need considerable customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized businesses. It is though perfect for VARs like me. My two $. Skip -----Original Message----- From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available) Walter Vaughan wrote: Len Parker wrote: I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute "java -jar ofbiz.jar": What does "java -version" say? Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script? Regarding your boss... If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are looking for. OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that can be used out of the box. Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to fit their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this: developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets is efficient and easy. There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill this gap soon. Jacopo If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal with GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE: This is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for something to show the pointy headed boss). Welcome aboard! -- Walter
