Accounting is mine then. Sadly though, I don't know docbook. Can you point me somewhere to have a look at some documentation?
Skip -----Original Message----- From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available) > If you will give me a list of the modules you haven't done yet, maybe we can > split the load and feed the result back to the community. Accounting is where you can help! I've done PartyMgr, halfway through Catalog and Product. I've been using DocBook. Do you know DocBook? It's easier than HTML, and it's plain text so it can be version-controlled. Jonathon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Jonathon > > "I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms...". I am happy to > help with this because I would rather not spend gobs of hand-holding time. > I expect to go live with my first customer in about 2 months and they will > have to live with a majority of the functionality in its current state. A > "jargon dictionary" would be very helpful to them. > > I have 20 years experience with these folks and have written two accounting > applications used by hundreds of users over that time, so I "think" I have a > fair understanding of the terminolgy in the industries I have served. It is > my experience that GL, A/P and A/R are fairly generic. Beyond that, the > lingo begins to diverge. > > If you will give me a list of the modules you haven't done yet, maybe we can > split the load and feed the result back to the community. > > Skip > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:04 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() > catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: > java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available) > > > Skip, > > I agree with you, as will many other VARs who have taken up OFBiz. > > I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms, everything OFBiz > but above the framework. > After that, I'll be approaching the real world (not the OFBiz world) to > tally the facts and > figures, and to get a good list of the discrepancy between "OFBiz world" and > "real world". Such a > "mapping" between OFBiz and the real world will make it MUCH easier for me > to talk to future clients! > > As it is now, more than half of my projects required some work to gravitate > OFBiz towards the real > world. In particular, accounting is a major void. Payment processing has > some holes too. > > > That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people > > to use Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the > > UI using terms understood by the people using them. > > Definitely. All of my projects required that. Changing the UI. > > I'm not saying which ERP terminologies are de facto or "best practice". It's > just a real world > observation. > > Either OFBiz moves towards the real world, or vice versa. There are some > clients who say they want > to follow best practices, and they want to try going with the "OFBiz way of > doing things". > > Whatever we do, I think it'll be fun to focus on channeling all we got into > OFBiz and make it more > viable in the real world. Well, unless OFBiz overtakes the number one ERP > system. :) > > Jonathon > > Skip wrote: >> Tim >> >> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly. >> >> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB". >> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software >> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for testing. I > am >> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow. >> >> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz > applications, >> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to your >> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager > type >> person the meaning of these terms: >> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is > Capture, >> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum, >> etc. etc. >> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and they >> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would actually > be >> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a > few >> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back > office >> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB, > the >> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly > jargon. >> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but critical >> when needed. >> >> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to use >> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using terms >> understood by the people using them. >> >> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated lots of >> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and > commercial. >> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am > committed >> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it. >> >> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think >> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P >> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing > agents, >> the sales folks, and all the rest. >> >> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who contribute >> have done. >> >> Skip >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() >> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: >> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available) >> >> >> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB, >> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their >> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be able to >> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of ramp up >> on the existing processes. >> >> >> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to > their >> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over >> there. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> Tim >> -- >> Tim Ruppert >> HotWax Media >> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com >> >> >> o:801.649.6594 >> f:801.649.6595 >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote: >> >> >> Jacopo >> >> >> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open >> Source >> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an >> acronym >> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a > great >> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree >> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning side. > I >> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice users >> up to >> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical). >> >> >> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and >> making >> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need >> considerable >> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized >> businesses. >> >> >> It is though perfect for VARs like me. >> >> >> My two $. >> >> >> Skip >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() >> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: >> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available) >> >> >> >> >> Walter Vaughan wrote: >> Len Parker wrote: >> >> >> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute >> "java -jar ofbiz.jar": >> >> >> What does "java -version" say? >> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script? >> >> >> Regarding your boss... >> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are >> looking for. >> >> >> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that >> can be used out of the box. >> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including >> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to > fit >> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this: >> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets is >> efficient and easy. >> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most >> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill >> this gap soon. >> >> >> Jacopo >> >> >> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing >> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal >> with >> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE: >> This >> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are >> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for >> something >> to show the pointy headed boss). >> >> >> Welcome aboard! >> >> >> -- >> Walter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: > 9/25/2007 8:02 AM > > >
