De : "David E Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Have you read through "The Data Model Resource Book(s)"? They don't have > everything in them, but are extremely helpful for getting the general concepts. Mandatory.
You may also have a look at http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBENDUSER/Undersun+Doc+Site+PDF+Exports Jacques > > -David > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > David > > > > I expect you are right, especially as I have spent most of my time digging > > through source code instead of learning Ofbiz in detail from a users > > perspective. However, I think it can only be helpful to document exactly > > what each of these fields that are not self-explanatory do. I know it will > > help me when I deliver this from gettig a million support phone calls. > > > > Skip > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David E Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:44 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() > > catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: > > java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available) > > > > > > > > Just a general thought: if better terms for things in OFBiz can be found I > > think everyone will be very open to changing them. > > > > Usually what happens, based on experience with clients, is they are actually > > thinking of something different than the concept used in OFBiz and so the > > change in the term causes more problems than it helps... and telling them > > what it means and how it is different (usually less granular) than what they > > were imagining was more effective. > > > > -David > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Jonathon > >> > >> "I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms...". I am happy > > to > >> help with this because I would rather not spend gobs of hand-holding time. > >> I expect to go live with my first customer in about 2 months and they will > >> have to live with a majority of the functionality in its current state. A > >> "jargon dictionary" would be very helpful to them. > >> > >> I have 20 years experience with these folks and have written two > > accounting > >> applications used by hundreds of users over that time, so I "think" I have > > a > >> fair understanding of the terminolgy in the industries I have served. It > > is > >> my experience that GL, A/P and A/R are fairly generic. Beyond that, the > >> lingo begins to diverge. > >> > >> If you will give me a list of the modules you haven't done yet, maybe we > > can > >> split the load and feed the result back to the community. > >> > >> Skip > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jonathon -- Improov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:04 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() > >> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: > >> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available) > >> > >> > >> Skip, > >> > >> I agree with you, as will many other VARs who have taken up OFBiz. > >> > >> I'm currently attempting to document ALL of those terms, everything OFBiz > >> but above the framework. > >> After that, I'll be approaching the real world (not the OFBiz world) to > >> tally the facts and > >> figures, and to get a good list of the discrepancy between "OFBiz world" > > and > >> "real world". Such a > >> "mapping" between OFBiz and the real world will make it MUCH easier for me > >> to talk to future clients! > >> > >> As it is now, more than half of my projects required some work to > > gravitate > >> OFBiz towards the real > >> world. In particular, accounting is a major void. Payment processing has > >> some holes too. > >> > >> > That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people > >> > to use Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the > >> > UI using terms understood by the people using them. > >> > >> Definitely. All of my projects required that. Changing the UI. > >> > >> I'm not saying which ERP terminologies are de facto or "best practice". > > It's > >> just a real world > >> observation. > >> > >> Either OFBiz moves towards the real world, or vice versa. There are some > >> clients who say they want > >> to follow best practices, and they want to try going with the "OFBiz way > > of > >> doing things". > >> > >> Whatever we do, I think it'll be fun to focus on channeling all we got > > into > >> OFBiz and make it more > >> viable in the real world. Well, unless OFBiz overtakes the number one ERP > >> system. :) > >> > >> Jonathon > >> > >> Skip wrote: > >>> Tim > >>> > >>> Gads, seems as if I hit a nerve. My apologies. Let me respond briefly. > >>> > >>> "Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB". > >>> My ability to use Ofbiz OOTB is not the issue here. I am a software > >>> engineer, not the end user. I will not be using it except for testing. I > >> am > >>> implementing it now for two mid-sized businesses with three to follow. > >>> > >>> It is my view that with few exceptions, the back office Ofbiz > >> applications, > >>> are not designed for the real people to use. As some examples, go to > > your > >>> friendly neighborhood corporate office and ask the A/R, A/P or manager > >> type > >>> person the meaning of these terms: > >>> Logical Id, Facility Type ID, Empl Position Type Id, Manual Auth Is > >> Capture, > >>> Order Enum Id, To Geo, Validate G C Fin Acct, Contact Mech, Reason Enum, > >>> etc. etc. > >>> If that person can correctly identify the purpose of any of them (and > > they > >>> have not used Ofbiz before), I would be very surprised. I would actually > >> be > >>> surprised if you know all of them off the top of your head. These are a > >> few > >>> of the ones I copied and pasted from various places in the Ofbiz back > >> office > >>> applicatons. There are hundreds more. To use these applications OOTB, > >> the > >>> person using it has to be educated on the meaning of what is mostly > >> jargon. > >>> Remember too that some of these applications are rarely used, but > > critical > >>> when needed. > >>> > >>> That is why I say that it is probably uneconomical to train people to use > >>> Ofbiz OOTB. It is, I think, more economical to rewrite the UI using > > terms > >>> understood by the people using them. > >>> > >>> By the way, I do not mean to be derogatory here. I have evaluated lots > > of > >>> ERP applications for the folks I represent, both opensource and > >> commercial. > >>> Ofbiz is the best of them all (or will be when I am done) and I am > >> committed > >>> to providing them a world-class set of applications based on it. > >>> > >>> What I am trying to do is get those involved in the development to think > >>> about the people who actually use the product in the end, the A/R-A/P > >>> clerks, the shipping and recieving people, the CPAs, the purchasing > >> agents, > >>> the sales folks, and all the rest. > >>> > >>> Let me also say thanks for the work that you and all those who contribute > >>> have done. > >>> > >>> Skip > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Tim Ruppert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:07 AM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() > >>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: > >>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available) > >>> > >>> > >>> Skip you may not have the expertise in general to use it close to OOTB, > >>> but I must disagree that it is uneconomical to have people running their > >>> business on it. However, it may be uneconomical for newbies to be able to > >>> get their foot in the door and pop one up quickly without a lot of ramp > > up > >>> on the existing processes. > >>> > >>> > >>> Anything that needs to be discussed about Opentaps - should move to > >> their > >>> mailing list - this just isn't a sales channel for migrating people over > >>> there. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Tim > >>> -- > >>> Tim Ruppert > >>> HotWax Media > >>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com > >>> > >>> > >>> o:801.649.6594 > >>> f:801.649.6595 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Skip wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Jacopo > >>> > >>> > >>> Not to be argumentative, but I would say that Ofbiz is not "an Open > >>> Source > >>> ERP system that can be used out of the box." ERP as you know is an > >>> acronym > >>> for Enterprise Resource Planning. If you had said that Ofbiz is a > >> great > >>> ecommerce application that can be used out of the box, I would agree > >>> wholeheartedly. However, it lacks a lot on the resource planning > > side. > >> I > >>> would also say that the training time to bring casual backoffice > > users > >>> up to > >>> speed is beyond considerable (possibly uneconomical). > >>> > >>> > >>> As Walter said, Opentaps goes a LONG way toward filling the holes and > >>> making > >>> it earier for real people to use. Both products however need > >>> considerable > >>> customization to make them suitable for the majority of medium sized > >>> businesses. > >>> > >>> > >>> It is though perfect for VARs like me. > >>> > >>> > >>> My two $. > >>> > >>> > >>> Skip > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Jacopo Cappellato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:42 AM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: org.ofbiz.base.start.StartupException: Cannot init() > >>> catalina-container (Protocol handler initialization failed: > >>> java.io.IOException: SunX509 KeyManagerFactory not available) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Walter Vaughan wrote: > >>> Len Parker wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> I'm a newbie, and I get the following error when I execute > >>> "java -jar ofbiz.jar": > >>> > >>> > >>> What does "java -version" say? > >>> Why are you not using ./startofbiz.sh shell script? > >>> > >>> > >>> Regarding your boss... > >>> If you need a strong framework to build upon, OFBiz is what you are > >>> looking for. > >>> > >>> > >>> OFBiz is *not* just a framework; it is an Open Source ERP system that > >>> can be used out of the box. > >>> Of course, but this is true for all the ERP systems, including > >>> commercial ones, most of the companies will want to customize it to > >> fit > >>> their custom/special/niche processes and OFBiz is *great* in this: > >>> developing/customizing using OFBiz's entities, services and widgets > > is > >>> efficient and easy. > >>> There are still some areas that are not fully implemented, the most > >>> remarkable one is the accounting application: we will hopefully fill > >>> this gap soon. > >>> > >>> > >>> Jacopo > >>> > >>> > >>> If you need CRM functionality, warehouse and purchasing > >>> dashboards, built in Business Intellegence tools, and you can deal > >>> with > >>> GPL style license software you might also look at Opentaps. (NOTE: > >>> This > >>> is not a sales pitch for opentaps, just a heads up that there are > >>> options in the OFBiz world, especially if you are looking for > >>> something > >>> to show the pointy headed boss). > >>> > >>> > >>> Welcome aboard! > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Walter > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> No virus found in this incoming message. > >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >>> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: > >> 9/25/2007 8:02 AM > >> > >> > > >
