if the inventory supplier is a dropshipper would be the consideration.
since you can have many suppliers for a product, you could have a
supplier you order from for your local supplier and a drop shipper as well.
this would come under a scenario of determining best cost and delivery
of the product which is part of ERP.

So I don't think a simple flag is the answer.


Skip sent the following on 10/24/2007 3:33 PM:
> BJ
> 
> No, I have considered only my own needs.  However, a property which
> determines the behavior satisfies both camps.
> 
> Skip
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BJ Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:27 PM
> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> Subject: Re: shipments made for out of stock items
> 
> 
> Skip have you consider the sequence for a dropshipper, and some
> fulfillment houses.
> you don't have their inventory.
> 
> Skip sent the following on 10/24/2007 1:09 PM:
>> Dave
>>
>> I agree that this is a big hole/bug.  On the other hand, there are folks
> who
>> don't mind/prefer the sloppiness (I have a customer just like that).  So,
>> perhaps we could use a property to define the behavior, like:
>>
>> ilikesloppybookkeeping=true/false  (tongue in cheek)
>>
>> However, I would be happy to collaborate to get this done.  I want
>> requirements and automatic backorders issued for out of stock etc for
> quick
>> ship.  I was just about to start work on this.  We could modify the
> existing
>> service to look for a property and if it exists, do the better bookkeeping
> /
>> automatic ordering.
>>
>> This is a hole for me because if my customer has a customer at the counter
>> and is selling him some stuff and part of it is on back order, he has to
>> exit out of the sales order screen and go to the shipping screen to get it
>> all done right.  It's a pain and will happen 10 times a day for him.
> Fixing
>> the quickship will take care of it.
>>
>> Maybe with the configurable property, the muckity-mucks won't be so
>> reluctant to accept it.
>>
>> Skip
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David E Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:24 PM
>> To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: shipments made for out of stock items
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2007, at 6:41 AM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote:
>>
>>> The more I think about this, it seems inappropriate for an ERP
>>> system to allow this. Why would the quick ship service allow a user
>>> to charge a customers credit card  and "ship" a physical product
>>> that the system "knew" was not available?
>> For some users the system doesn't know everything...
>>
>>> Before charging the card, the sales person would want to confirm
>>> that the goods were actually available. Once this was confirmed, it
>>> would take a facility worker 30 seconds to adjust the inventory,
>>> leaving an audit trail etc.
>> Yes, but not everyone wants to use it this way.
>>
>>> To me this seems like a JIRA issue, which should be fixed.
>>>
>>> I'll submit the issue and we'll submit a fix.
>> It will most likely be rejected.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>>> Dave Tenerowicz wrote:
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> David E Jones wrote:
>>>>> Well, there ya go!
>>>>>
>>>>> The quick ship order stuff doesn't check stock levels...
>>>>>
>>>>> -David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I should have mentioned that we created a new service to
>>>>>> automatically create shipments. It calls quickShipOrder as part
>>>>>> of it's processing.
>>>>>> -Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David E Jones wrote:
>>>>>>> What do you mean by "being created"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There isn't really anything that automatically creates
>>>>>>> shipments, unless a human does it through some UI like the
>>>>>>> shipment or packing screens (or a service or something was
>>>>>>> written to automatically do it somehow).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2007, at 3:48 PM, Dave Tenerowicz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It appears that shipments are being created with out of stock
>>>>>>>> items in an implementation we are doing. I am guessing this is
>>>>>>>> due to product store settings, not a code issue.
>>>>>>>> rev =  545314
>>>>>>>> check inventory=Y
>>>>>>>> reserve inventory=Y
>>>>>>>> require inventory=N
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All products are finished goods (no digital or virtual)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for any help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Dave Tenerowicz
>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Office: 303.493.6727
>>>>>>>> Mobile 303.906.6116
>>>>>>>> Fax 303.814.8330
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com
>>>>>>>> For ERP Information: http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/
>>>>>>>> ERP_CRM.jsp?nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServices
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Dave Tenerowicz
>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Office: 303.493.6727
>>>>>> Mobile 303.906.6116
>>>>>> Fax 303.814.8330
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com
>>>>>> For ERP Information: http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/
>>>>>> ERP_CRM.jsp?nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServices
>>>>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave Tenerowicz
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> Office: 303.493.6727
>>> Mobile 303.906.6116
>>> Fax 303.814.8330
>>>
>>> Visit us at http://www.salmonllc.com
>>> For ERP Information: http://www.salmonllc.com/Jsp/vanity/
>>> ERP_CRM.jsp?nav=2&NavBarId=ERP_CRMServices
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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