I looked at https://dev.openbravo.com/websvn/openbravo/trunk/src/org/openbravo/authentication/basic/AutologonAuthenticationManager.java?sc=1
David E Jones sent the following on 7/12/2009 5:58 PM: > On Jul 12, 2009, at 4:55 PM, BJ Freeman wrote: > >> LOL, sorry but I started when there was no documentation at all, 2003. >> I have learned ofbiz. That is how much I believe in it. >> Open bravo does not provide the frame I need for Automation. >> it is also GPL licensed. >> From what I have seen it is not an enterprise level software. >> To each his own. >> :D > > Based on a quick search: it's actually MPL (Mozilla) license (GPL for > the POS part of it), which is like GPL for modifications but like > BSD/Apache for extensions. From your other email: I doubt they would > Apache license it because it would make it hard to _sell_ a license > which is a clear part of their business model, along with training and > other services. > > AFAIK Apache OFBiz is the only community-driven project in this space. > Other are typically GPL-like/commercial dual licensed, which is a model > more like traditional commercial software in terms of revenue and > development (ie hired developers and not many community contributions). > That includes OpenBravo, Compiere, OpenERP, ERP5, and yes even our > friends at opentaps. It also includes less direct competitors like > Magento, Alfresco, SugarCRM, and many others. > > Now, Adempiere is one exception, though they have a funny licensing > situation since it is GPL and no one in the community owns the copyright > to the original GPL code base that came from Compiere... tricky at best. > >> snowch sent the following on 7/12/2009 2:45 PM: >>> The file DemoOrganizationData.xml looks as though it will provide the >>> answers >>> I am looking for. Many thanks! However the real problem is that >>> learning >>> ofbiz end user functionality is time consuming due to the lack of >>> documentation. >>> >>> I found the same problem a few years back when learning technical >>> development of ofbiz. In the end I gave up until Jonathon Wong's >>> book was >>> recently released. That book saved me hundreds of hours of trial and >>> error >>> development. I can now easily develop standalone ofbiz applications. >>> However, I am now struggling with utilizing the existing ofbiz >>> functionality. > > Do you mean you looked through the docs.ofbiz.org documentation and > didn't find what you were looking for? There are pretty clear links from > the OFBiz home page to these community-maintained docs, and there is a > LOT there for both technical and end-user documentation. > > On the other hand, IF you write something along the lines of "I'm > looking for information about X and I found documents A, B, and C which > seem related but they don't address it" THEN you will almost certainly > get specific feedback and responses. > > This is a community driven project, so if you'd looking for interaction > similar to what you'd find with a commercial entity you'll have a hard > time. If you're working with the community in the way communities work > you'll have a good experience. For more details about this please see my > recent blog post: > > http://osofbiz.blogspot.com/2009/06/open-source-community-collaboration.html > > >>> I think I will probably (reluctantly) end up moving to openbravo as my >>> development framework for ERP applications based on the availability of >>> their functional and developer training material (see >>> http://www.openbravo.com/services/training/). > > On the other hand, if you'd prefer to get commercial services, you're in > luck! Whether you're looking for training courses, mentoring, or even > paid documentation there are options, just like with OpenBravo. The nice > thing about OFBiz is that there is no central vendor which means there > is a wider variety of options and none of them have to compete with the > central vendor. For a pretty good list (but not all OFBiz service > providers, many do not market through the project) see: > > http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/Apache+OFBiz+Service+Providers > > -David > > >>> >>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>> yes, I got error messages the first time, >>>> from the error messages I learned what needed to be done >>>> hard way to learn. >>>> I also looked at the DemoOrganization.xml for Ideas. >>>> >>>> snowch sent the following on 7/12/2009 2:11 PM: >>>>> I've realised that I need to use relationships from other posts, >>>>> and from >>>>> the >>>>> ManagerReferenceParty.pdf. >>>>> >>>>> What is not clear is how? The UI doesn't have much meaning without >>>>> some >>>>> examples: >>>>> >>>>> New Relationship: >>>>> >>>>> of the Party with ID ___ >>>>> in the role of ___ >>>>> is a ___ >>>>> of the current party ___ >>>>> in the role of ___ >>>>> And Party Relationship Security ___ >>>>>> From Calendar ___ >>>>> Thru Calendar ___ >>>>> Comments ___ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>> it is done through relationships >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> snowch sent the following on 7/12/2009 11:52 AM: >>>>>>> One area I'm struggling with is trying to create a party group and >>>>>>> adding >>>>>>> parties to the group. Is there any documentation on this specific >>>>>>> area? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Many thanks... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>> End user Docs >>>>>>>> There was an effort for a time to generate a help system of enduser >>>>>>>> docs, but that has sort of fallen off. >>>>>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBENDUSER/End+User+Documentation >>>>>>>> there are fragements though out the doc site >>>>>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+Applications+User+Manual >>>>>>>> that has links in it to others >>>>>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/Accounting+Screens+Reference >>>>>>>> you just have to go through them to pull them all together. >>>>>>>> Hopefully some will put on energy into the first link to tie all >>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>> together. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> snowch sent the following on 7/12/2009 7:11 AM: >>>>>>>>> By functional, I mean training that is aimed at the non-technical >>>>>>>>> user. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am ok with developing ofbiz applications from scratch, but now I >>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> know how to use more of the ofbiz functionality out-of-the-box. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Reading through the Len Silverston data model books are useful, >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>> really describe the data model. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Many thanks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> not sure your definition for functional. >>>>>>>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Documentation+Index >>>>>>>>>> on top of that David use to run seminars once a year. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> snowch sent the following on 7/10/2009 2:52 PM: >>>>>>>>>>> Is there any functional training available for ofbiz? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>>>>>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation >>>>>>>>>> http://bjfreeman.elance.com >>>>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>>>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation >>>>>>>> http://bjfreeman.elance.com >>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Systems Integrator. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation >>>>>> http://bjfreeman.elance.com >>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro >>>>>> >>>>>> Systems Integrator. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> -- >>>> BJ Freeman >>>> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation >>>> http://bjfreeman.elance.com >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro >>>> >>>> Systems Integrator. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> BJ Freeman >> http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation >> http://bjfreeman.elance.com >> http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro >> >> Systems Integrator. >> > > -- BJ Freeman http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation http://bjfreeman.elance.com http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=1237480&locale=en_US&trk=tab_pro Systems Integrator.
