Hello Chris:
I too know how frustrating it can be as I started using OFBiz before there was much documentation. That is why, now that I have time, I am working on end-user documentation and training. Currently, I've got a book in the works covering the eCommerce component & the Catalog Manager. Once I finish that, I plan to move on and tackle less well known parts of the project. If you have a chance, you could help by sending me a list of what you'd like to see worked on.

IMHO, the only thing holding OFBiz back is lack of user friendly documentation and training.

Look forward to hearing from you. You can contact me directly at: [email protected].

Regards,
Ruth

BJ Freeman wrote:
correction it has apache license

BJ Freeman sent the following on 7/12/2009 3:55 PM:
LOL, sorry but I started when there was no documentation at all, 2003.
I have learned ofbiz. That is how much I believe in it.
Open bravo does not provide the frame I need for Automation.
it is also GPL licensed.
>From what I have seen it is not an enterprise level software.
To each his own.
:D

snowch sent the following on 7/12/2009 2:45 PM:
The file DemoOrganizationData.xml looks as though it will provide the answers
I am looking for.  Many thanks!  However the real problem is that learning
ofbiz end user functionality is time consuming due to the lack of
documentation.

I found the same problem a few years back when learning technical
development of ofbiz.  In the end I gave up until Jonathon Wong's book was
recently released.  That book saved me hundreds of hours of trial and error
development. I can now easily develop standalone ofbiz applications. However, I am now struggling with utilizing the existing ofbiz
functionality.

I think I will probably (reluctantly) end up moving to openbravo as my
development framework for ERP applications based on the availability of
their functional and developer training material (see
http://www.openbravo.com/services/training/).





BJ Freeman wrote:
yes, I got error messages the first time,
from the error messages I learned what needed to be done
hard way to learn.
I also looked at the DemoOrganization.xml for Ideas.

snowch sent the following on 7/12/2009 2:11 PM:
I've realised that I need to use relationships from other posts, and from
the
ManagerReferenceParty.pdf.
What is not clear is how?  The UI doesn't have much meaning without some
examples:

New Relationship:

of the Party with ID ___
in the role of  ___
is a  ___
of the current party ___
in the role of ___
And Party Relationship Security ___
>From Calendar ___
Thru Calendar ___
Comments ___



BJ Freeman wrote:
it is done through relationships


snowch sent the following on 7/12/2009 11:52 AM:
One area I'm struggling with is trying to create a party group and
adding
parties to the group.  Is there any documentation on this specific
area?

Many thanks...



BJ Freeman wrote:
End user Docs
There was an effort for a time to generate a help system of enduser
docs, but that has sort of fallen off.
http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBENDUSER/End+User+Documentation
there are fragements though out the doc site
http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/OFBiz+Applications+User+Manual
that has links in it to others
http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBIZ/Accounting+Screens+Reference
you just have to go through them to pull them all together.
Hopefully some will put on energy into the first link to tie all these
together.

snowch sent the following on 7/12/2009 7:11 AM:
By functional, I mean training that is aimed at the non-technical
user.

I am ok with developing ofbiz applications from scratch, but now I
need
to
know how to use more of the ofbiz functionality out-of-the-box.

Reading through the Len Silverston data model books are useful, but
only
really describe the data model.

Many thanks,

Chris


BJ Freeman wrote:
not sure your definition for functional.
http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Documentation+Index
on top of that David use to run seminars once a year.

snowch sent the following on 7/10/2009 2:52 PM:
Is there any functional training available for ofbiz?

Many thanks,

Chris
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