Ryan:
Get real. Not a single commiter (with the exception of Jacques and BJ -
who isn't a commiter - I don't think) listens to anyone from the outside.
Personally, I stand by my other comment: "You guys don't have a clue".
Here's another saying that I find useful: "If its not broke, don't fix
it". That means that just because something is 10 years old, it is not
necessarily obsolete.
Best Regards,
Ruth
On 1/21/11 4:33 AM, Ryan Foster wrote:
While I appreciate the spirited debate, where were these voices over two weeks ago when
Adrian and I can began working on refreshing the theme (and that is what it was, not a
redesign, not a new theme, not a complete overhaul. We changed the header and footer,
and made a few CSS changes - that's it). This wasn't done in a vacuum and it wasn't done
without discussion and debate. We didn't get together in some secret back-room deal and
decide "Hey let's get rid of Flat Grey and piss everyone off".
Adrian proposed updating the theme to the mailing list back on the 29th of December,
asked for feedback, suggestions and participation, and we went to work. if you ask me,
24 days is a really big "vacuum" for a couple of CSS changes. Also, if you
look at the JIRA issue https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092, there were 9
screenshots and 8 separate patches posted between the 4th and the 14th of January.
Anyone could have grabbed those and monitored the progress.
I agree that there should be backwards compatibility, I agree that there should
stability, but for heaven's sake, it's just a theme. Simply blindly following
a backwards compatibility mantra gives you outdated, useless software that was
cutting edge 10 years ago, but is now the butt of developer jokes... I'm
looking at you IE6.
Ryan L. Foster
801.671.0769
[email protected]
ryanlfoster.com
On Jan 20, 2011, at 8:38 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
Yeah you do...live in a vacuum. IMHO and experience the PMC does live in a vacuum. As the
saying goes...you guys "don't have a clue".
Just my 2 cents.
Ruth
On 1/20/11 9:56 PM, Adrian Crum wrote:
That's not true. Every change is discussed and debated.
The OFBiz developers and the PMC don't live in a vacuum - they have production
systems to maintain. It is silly to think they would not consider those
production systems when proposing changes.
-Adrian
--- On Thu, 1/20/11, BJ Freeman<[email protected]> wrote:
you will find that the ofbiz
developer group first priority is to change
before considering the effect on production systemm using
offbiz.
something I lobby against, but has little effect.
so I have a system to accomplish this regardless of what
they do.
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BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Mike sent the following on 1/20/2011 3:38 PM:
But why delete it? Alot of folks learned ofbiz
on flatgrey, and their
employees are used to it. At least keep it
around as flatgrey_old.
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Adrian Crum<[email protected]>
wrote:
That theme was starting to look old, so the
developer community decided to
update it.
If you prefer the old version of the theme, you
are welcome to replace the
new one with it.
-Adrian
On 1/20/2011 3:21 PM, Mike wrote:
I just loaded trunk and discovered that the
normal flatgrey theme has
been completely redefined. What
happened? I thought it was actually
the best theme that was very well
organized. Is there a way to get it
back?
