Really Ruth? Really? That is absolutely ridiculous. I am not a committer or a PMC member. I am an "outsider" individual contributor with an active interest in moving the project forward. There is not a single committed line of code in the whole framework with my name directly attached to it, but I yet over the years I have still managed to make some key contributions to the project through patches, discussions, collaborations, design etc. such as the BizznessTime theme, the redesign of the public facing website, one page checkout, the Dropping Crumbs theme, the Flat Grey theme... my list is pretty long.
So instead in being abrasive and disrespectful, why don't you try doing what I do. Treat the other members of this community with respect, communicate frankly and openly, and accept feedback, criticism and collaboration without getting defensive and insulting people. I consider people like Jacques, Adrian, Bruno, Anil, and Jacopo my friends and colleagues and I seem to have no problem at all getting them to listen to me. Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 [email protected] ryanlfoster.com On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: > Ryan: > Get real. Not a single commiter (with the exception of Jacques and BJ - who > isn't a commiter - I don't think) listens to anyone from the outside. > Personally, I stand by my other comment: "You guys don't have a clue". > > Here's another saying that I find useful: "If its not broke, don't fix it". > That means that just because something is 10 years old, it is not necessarily > obsolete. > > Best Regards, > Ruth > > On 1/21/11 4:33 AM, Ryan Foster wrote: >> While I appreciate the spirited debate, where were these voices over two >> weeks ago when Adrian and I can began working on refreshing the theme (and >> that is what it was, not a redesign, not a new theme, not a complete >> overhaul. We changed the header and footer, and made a few CSS changes - >> that's it). This wasn't done in a vacuum and it wasn't done without >> discussion and debate. We didn't get together in some secret back-room deal >> and decide "Hey let's get rid of Flat Grey and piss everyone off". >> >> Adrian proposed updating the theme to the mailing list back on the 29th of >> December, asked for feedback, suggestions and participation, and we went to >> work. if you ask me, 24 days is a really big "vacuum" for a couple of CSS >> changes. Also, if you look at the JIRA issue >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092, there were 9 screenshots >> and 8 separate patches posted between the 4th and the 14th of January. >> Anyone could have grabbed those and monitored the progress. >> >> I agree that there should be backwards compatibility, I agree that there >> should stability, but for heaven's sake, it's just a theme. Simply blindly >> following a backwards compatibility mantra gives you outdated, useless >> software that was cutting edge 10 years ago, but is now the butt of >> developer jokes... I'm looking at you IE6. >> >> >> Ryan L. Foster >> 801.671.0769 >> [email protected] >> ryanlfoster.com >> >> On Jan 20, 2011, at 8:38 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >> >>> Yeah you do...live in a vacuum. IMHO and experience the PMC does live in a >>> vacuum. As the saying goes...you guys "don't have a clue". >>> Just my 2 cents. >>> Ruth >>> >>> On 1/20/11 9:56 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>> That's not true. Every change is discussed and debated. >>>> >>>> The OFBiz developers and the PMC don't live in a vacuum - they have >>>> production systems to maintain. It is silly to think they would not >>>> consider those production systems when proposing changes. >>>> >>>> -Adrian >>>> >>>> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, BJ Freeman<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> you will find that the ofbiz >>>>> developer group first priority is to change >>>>> before considering the effect on production systemm using >>>>> offbiz. >>>>> something I lobby against, but has little effect. >>>>> so I have a system to accomplish this regardless of what >>>>> they do. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========================= >>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>> >>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mike sent the following on 1/20/2011 3:38 PM: >>>>>> But why delete it? Alot of folks learned ofbiz >>>>> on flatgrey, and their >>>>>> employees are used to it. At least keep it >>>>> around as flatgrey_old. >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Adrian Crum<[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> That theme was starting to look old, so the >>>>> developer community decided to >>>>>>> update it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you prefer the old version of the theme, you >>>>> are welcome to replace the >>>>>>> new one with it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/20/2011 3:21 PM, Mike wrote: >>>>>>>> I just loaded trunk and discovered that the >>>>> normal flatgrey theme has >>>>>>>> been completely redefined. What >>>>> happened? I thought it was actually >>>>>>>> the best theme that was very well >>>>> organized. Is there a way to get it >>>>>>>> back? >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
