> > Here's another saying that I find useful: "If its not broke, don't fix it". > That means that just because something is 10 years old, it is not necessarily > obsolete.
It was never suggested that the Flat Grey Theme was broken or obsolete, just that it could stand a refresh. I can site numerous studies that show that how something looks affects how it is perceived, but just a take a look at http://www.alistapart.com/articles/indefenseofeyecandy Having a theme that looks like it hasn't been touched in years affects the perception of the project as a whole. Think about it; would you buy a Ferrari engine if it was inside a Prius body frame? Can you simply just sew a Gucci label onto a t-shirt you bought from Walmart and sell for it $500? Like it or not, perception and presentation go a long way toward credibility. Ryan L. Foster 801.671.0769 [email protected] ryanlfoster.com On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: > Ryan: > Get real. Not a single commiter (with the exception of Jacques and BJ - who > isn't a commiter - I don't think) listens to anyone from the outside. > Personally, I stand by my other comment: "You guys don't have a clue". > > Here's another saying that I find useful: "If its not broke, don't fix it". > That means that just because something is 10 years old, it is not necessarily > obsolete. > > Best Regards, > Ruth > > On 1/21/11 4:33 AM, Ryan Foster wrote: >> While I appreciate the spirited debate, where were these voices over two >> weeks ago when Adrian and I can began working on refreshing the theme (and >> that is what it was, not a redesign, not a new theme, not a complete >> overhaul. We changed the header and footer, and made a few CSS changes - >> that's it). This wasn't done in a vacuum and it wasn't done without >> discussion and debate. We didn't get together in some secret back-room deal >> and decide "Hey let's get rid of Flat Grey and piss everyone off". >> >> Adrian proposed updating the theme to the mailing list back on the 29th of >> December, asked for feedback, suggestions and participation, and we went to >> work. if you ask me, 24 days is a really big "vacuum" for a couple of CSS >> changes. Also, if you look at the JIRA issue >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-4092, there were 9 screenshots >> and 8 separate patches posted between the 4th and the 14th of January. >> Anyone could have grabbed those and monitored the progress. >> >> I agree that there should be backwards compatibility, I agree that there >> should stability, but for heaven's sake, it's just a theme. Simply blindly >> following a backwards compatibility mantra gives you outdated, useless >> software that was cutting edge 10 years ago, but is now the butt of >> developer jokes... I'm looking at you IE6. >> >> >> Ryan L. Foster >> 801.671.0769 >> [email protected] >> ryanlfoster.com >> >> On Jan 20, 2011, at 8:38 PM, Ruth Hoffman wrote: >> >>> Yeah you do...live in a vacuum. IMHO and experience the PMC does live in a >>> vacuum. As the saying goes...you guys "don't have a clue". >>> Just my 2 cents. >>> Ruth >>> >>> On 1/20/11 9:56 PM, Adrian Crum wrote: >>>> That's not true. Every change is discussed and debated. >>>> >>>> The OFBiz developers and the PMC don't live in a vacuum - they have >>>> production systems to maintain. It is silly to think they would not >>>> consider those production systems when proposing changes. >>>> >>>> -Adrian >>>> >>>> --- On Thu, 1/20/11, BJ Freeman<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> you will find that the ofbiz >>>>> developer group first priority is to change >>>>> before considering the effect on production systemm using >>>>> offbiz. >>>>> something I lobby against, but has little effect. >>>>> so I have a system to accomplish this regardless of what >>>>> they do. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========================= >>>>> BJ Freeman >>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation >>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52> >>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/> >>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist >>>>> >>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mike sent the following on 1/20/2011 3:38 PM: >>>>>> But why delete it? Alot of folks learned ofbiz >>>>> on flatgrey, and their >>>>>> employees are used to it. At least keep it >>>>> around as flatgrey_old. >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Adrian Crum<[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> That theme was starting to look old, so the >>>>> developer community decided to >>>>>>> update it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you prefer the old version of the theme, you >>>>> are welcome to replace the >>>>>>> new one with it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/20/2011 3:21 PM, Mike wrote: >>>>>>>> I just loaded trunk and discovered that the >>>>> normal flatgrey theme has >>>>>>>> been completely redefined. What >>>>> happened? I thought it was actually >>>>>>>> the best theme that was very well >>>>> organized. Is there a way to get it >>>>>>>> back? >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
