Al, Privately or not, if this is how you intend to interact with OFBiz users by actively encouraging them to switch to the competing framework that you're currently working with, then I'd strongly encourage you to resign from the OFBiz PMC. It's really not the type of project management we need.
Regards Scott On 22/05/2013, at 10:26 PM, Al Byers wrote: > I feel like I owe another apology to the OFBiz developers. Though my > initial remarks were accidental (and embarrassing), I was wrong not to > acknowledge that OFBiz has a wealth of functionality that Moqui does not > approach at this time. And my lack of first hand knowledge of all the work > that has gone into upgrading OFBiz is no excuse for not acknowledging that. > I know that I will need and want to use OFBiz for the rest of my career and > those who have put so much effort into making it the valuable product that > it is should be commended, for they will never get full payback for their > work. Thanks for all that you have done. > > - Al Byers > > > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Jacques Le Roux < > jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: > >> From: "Al Byers" <bye...@automationgroups.com> >>> Sorry Adrian, >>> >>> Had my mind on too many things and didn't mean to send it to the list. >> But >>> then, a dose of "open mike" might be refreshing. I know that there are >> some >>> great developers on OFBiz, but sometimes things get too large to refactor >>> and a fresh start is better. >> >> This was already discussed indeed. This option is still open. On the other >> hand, after more than a decade, I believe OFBiz is even better. >> For almost 3 years now we are less including new features and more fixing >> what exists. >> Notably in the framewors itself, where a replacement by Moqui makes more >> sense. >> We are even removing unused stuff, sometimes too harshly said Skip >> recently, nobody's perfect. >> >>> I don't think American car manufacturers were really concerned about >>> improving their product until the Japanese came along. And, even then, I >>> don't think that they have become competitive except to the extent that >>> they have pushed the "reset" button. >> >> In French we say "comparaison n'est pas raison". Don't try to translate >> with Google (again lost in translation). But I guess you can get it without. >> >>> It is not reasonable to think that OFBiz will just make the next release >> on >>> Moqui, but it seems like there could be a vanguard interested in making a >>> port. >> >> I think nobody is against it. As you say this would be a long, or maybe >> medium, term goal. >> OFBiz is considered stable now. Replacing the framework with Moqui would >> certainly take some time before acquiring the same level of stability >> >> Jacques >> PS: thanks Adrian for your defense of the team >> >>> -Al >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Adrian Crum < >>> adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com> wrote: >>> >>>> A quick clarification on this. >>>> >>>> "OFBiz was brilliant when David created it over ten years ago, but..." >>>> implies OFBiz is no longer brilliant. OFBiz continues to be just as >>>> brilliant, with a talented team of developers keeping it current with >>>> current technology. >>>> >>>> -Adrian >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/20/2013 4:04 PM, Al Byers wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Carlos, >>>>> >>>>> I am just starting to look around for OFBiz work and was intrigued to >> see >>>>> your email there this morning. I have been working with OFBiz for over >> 10 >>>>> years now and am interested in what you have going. >>>>> >>>>> But I must ask if you have considered Moqui (moqui.org < >> http://moqui.org>) >>>>> - David Jones's successor to OFBiz? I was just at a small conference >> with >>>>> David and the folks at HowWax Media and based on David's comments and >> what >>>>> I know about Moqui from my past year of working with it, if you are >>>>> starting anew, and especially if you are not using the current >> e-commerce >>>>> features of OFBiz, then you would be well served to look at Moqui. >> OFBiz >>>>> was brilliant when David created it over ten years ago, but technology >> has >>>>> made great advances in that time and if you have the freedom to do so, >> it >>>>> makes sense to start with the latest base. >>>>> >>>>> I have attached David's introduction to Moqui PDF, which I don't think >> is >>>>> readily available off the moqui.org <http://moqui.org> website. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I hope to hear from you soon. >>>>> >>>>> Al Byers >>>>> 801-400-5111 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Carlos Cruz <car...@nbtbizcapital.com >> <mailto: >>>>> carlos@nbtbizcapital.**com <car...@nbtbizcapital.com>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi; >>>>> >>>>> I'm looking for a Java programmer that is familiar with OFBiz. >>>>> Particularly with OFBiz Web Services and OFBiz Entity Engine. >>>>> >>>>> I'm interested in hosting OFBiz for some very specific industries >>>>> and I want to develop some very specific interfaces. >>>>> >>>>> This is a long term project, I could be flexible with the hours. >>>>> >>>>> If you're interested email me for more details. >>>>> >>>>> Also feel free to forward this email to someone you think might be >>>>> interested. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks!! >>>>> >>>>> Carlos >>>>> >>>>> logo-for-social-media-sites-**email_signature >>>>> >>>>> CruzControl Radius >>>>> >>>>> Your Success Is Our Service >>>>> >>>>> www.ccradius.com <http://www.ccradius.com> >>>>> >>>>> email:car...@ccradius.com <mailto:email%3Acarlos@**ccradius.com< >> email%253acar...@ccradius.com> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1-877-285-5499 <tel:1-877-285-5499> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>
