Thanks Al. More than anything we need PMC members who are helping the project rather than hurting it.
Regards Scott On 31/05/2013, at 10:13 PM, Al Byers wrote: > Valid point, Scott. I have offered to resign years ago as I am not active, > but no one took me up on it. Sounds like you need project management that > requires active PMC members. I will send my resignation request to the pmc > list where this conversation should probably take place. > > -Al > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 4:03 AM, Scott Gray <scott.g...@hotwaxmedia.com>wrote: > >> Al, >> >> Privately or not, if this is how you intend to interact with OFBiz users >> by actively encouraging them to switch to the competing framework that >> you're currently working with, then I'd strongly encourage you to resign >> from the OFBiz PMC. It's really not the type of project management we need. >> >> Regards >> Scott >> >> On 22/05/2013, at 10:26 PM, Al Byers wrote: >> >>> I feel like I owe another apology to the OFBiz developers. Though my >>> initial remarks were accidental (and embarrassing), I was wrong not to >>> acknowledge that OFBiz has a wealth of functionality that Moqui does not >>> approach at this time. And my lack of first hand knowledge of all the >> work >>> that has gone into upgrading OFBiz is no excuse for not acknowledging >> that. >>> I know that I will need and want to use OFBiz for the rest of my career >> and >>> those who have put so much effort into making it the valuable product >> that >>> it is should be commended, for they will never get full payback for their >>> work. Thanks for all that you have done. >>> >>> - Al Byers >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Jacques Le Roux < >>> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: >>> >>>> From: "Al Byers" <bye...@automationgroups.com> >>>>> Sorry Adrian, >>>>> >>>>> Had my mind on too many things and didn't mean to send it to the list. >>>> But >>>>> then, a dose of "open mike" might be refreshing. I know that there are >>>> some >>>>> great developers on OFBiz, but sometimes things get too large to >> refactor >>>>> and a fresh start is better. >>>> >>>> This was already discussed indeed. This option is still open. On the >> other >>>> hand, after more than a decade, I believe OFBiz is even better. >>>> For almost 3 years now we are less including new features and more >> fixing >>>> what exists. >>>> Notably in the framewors itself, where a replacement by Moqui makes more >>>> sense. >>>> We are even removing unused stuff, sometimes too harshly said Skip >>>> recently, nobody's perfect. >>>> >>>>> I don't think American car manufacturers were really concerned about >>>>> improving their product until the Japanese came along. And, even then, >> I >>>>> don't think that they have become competitive except to the extent that >>>>> they have pushed the "reset" button. >>>> >>>> In French we say "comparaison n'est pas raison". Don't try to translate >>>> with Google (again lost in translation). But I guess you can get it >> without. >>>> >>>>> It is not reasonable to think that OFBiz will just make the next >> release >>>> on >>>>> Moqui, but it seems like there could be a vanguard interested in >> making a >>>>> port. >>>> >>>> I think nobody is against it. As you say this would be a long, or maybe >>>> medium, term goal. >>>> OFBiz is considered stable now. Replacing the framework with Moqui would >>>> certainly take some time before acquiring the same level of stability >>>> >>>> Jacques >>>> PS: thanks Adrian for your defense of the team >>>> >>>>> -Al >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Adrian Crum < >>>>> adrian.c...@sandglass-software.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> A quick clarification on this. >>>>>> >>>>>> "OFBiz was brilliant when David created it over ten years ago, but..." >>>>>> implies OFBiz is no longer brilliant. OFBiz continues to be just as >>>>>> brilliant, with a talented team of developers keeping it current with >>>>>> current technology. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Adrian >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/20/2013 4:04 PM, Al Byers wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Carlos, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am just starting to look around for OFBiz work and was intrigued to >>>> see >>>>>>> your email there this morning. I have been working with OFBiz for >> over >>>> 10 >>>>>>> years now and am interested in what you have going. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But I must ask if you have considered Moqui (moqui.org < >>>> http://moqui.org>) >>>>>>> - David Jones's successor to OFBiz? I was just at a small conference >>>> with >>>>>>> David and the folks at HowWax Media and based on David's comments and >>>> what >>>>>>> I know about Moqui from my past year of working with it, if you are >>>>>>> starting anew, and especially if you are not using the current >>>> e-commerce >>>>>>> features of OFBiz, then you would be well served to look at Moqui. >>>> OFBiz >>>>>>> was brilliant when David created it over ten years ago, but >> technology >>>> has >>>>>>> made great advances in that time and if you have the freedom to do >> so, >>>> it >>>>>>> makes sense to start with the latest base. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have attached David's introduction to Moqui PDF, which I don't >> think >>>> is >>>>>>> readily available off the moqui.org <http://moqui.org> website. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope to hear from you soon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Al Byers >>>>>>> 801-400-5111 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Carlos Cruz < >> car...@nbtbizcapital.com >>>> <mailto: >>>>>>> carlos@nbtbizcapital.**com <car...@nbtbizcapital.com>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi; >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm looking for a Java programmer that is familiar with OFBiz. >>>>>>> Particularly with OFBiz Web Services and OFBiz Entity Engine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm interested in hosting OFBiz for some very specific industries >>>>>>> and I want to develop some very specific interfaces. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is a long term project, I could be flexible with the hours. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you're interested email me for more details. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also feel free to forward this email to someone you think might be >>>>>>> interested. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Carlos >>>>>>> >>>>>>> logo-for-social-media-sites-**email_signature >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CruzControl Radius >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your Success Is Our Service >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.ccradius.com <http://www.ccradius.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> email:car...@ccradius.com <mailto:email%3Acarlos@**ccradius.com< >>>> email%253acar...@ccradius.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1-877-285-5499 <tel:1-877-285-5499> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >>
