Mike, Give MyEclipse a try, what you described is what it does. The JSTL support isn't fully there yet, but it should be by the next release. And its $30 a year (that like 8 cents a day)
Best, Riyad On Thursday 27 May 2004 05:11 am, Mike Duffy wrote: > I would strongly suggest that you stay away from (or move away from) the > Struts presentation tags and use JSTL instead. Development has essentially > stopped on the Struts presentation tags. JSTL has more functionality and > JSTL is the "standard". > > What I would really like to see in an IDE is the ability to select a class > and then map the parameters of the class to the JSTL tags in a JSP. The > design mode of the IDE should be able to visually present the JSTL tags in > a "dumb HTML" mode so a web designer can easily work with JSTL (without > having to run an application server on his system). > > Dreamweaver from Macromedia is the "premier" design tool. I emailed > Macromedia about JSTL integration and received no response. I called them, > and after being bounced around to several managers I finally got someone to > admit that Macromedia has no current plans for JSTL support although they > were "considering" the issue. > > I've looked at some of the current Struts design tools and they appear to > be over-glorified config file editors. I think there is an opportunity for > some of these small companies who wish to play in the IDE space to create a > JSP editor plugin for Eclipse that supports both Struts and JSTL. I'd pay > real money for such a plugin. > > Until then, the suggestion mentioned earlier is probably the best way to > go: Have a designer design the page in HTML and then, "A java dev then > needs to insert the jstl etc in to the page and ensure it still maintains > the design/layout after dynamic elements have been added." > > Mike > > --- Daniel Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As a company we offer web design, programming, etc, etc. We have had the > > exact same problems you describe, but have gone down the route of > > deciding that IDE's arn't the way forward for web design, and that a text > > editor is a much better solution. > > > > So, our web designers all work with raw html. > > > > You may find resistance to this with designers who think html is scarry, > > and would much rather stick with dreamweaver. But when they get into it, > > if they are supported well they will find it a breeze. > > > > As an example, we took on a junior web designer in january who had no > > html/web design skills at all, but did have general design skills. Now > > he's producing great sites, and is up to speed with html and can happily > > work with php sites, jstl/struts taglibs, etc. > > > > We do a lot of subcontracting for other desing companies in the area who > > get jobs that require these kinds of skills, but dont have the people who > > can do it! > > > > Daniel. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: McCormack, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 27 May 2004 10:03 > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > Subject: RE: Are there any IDE's that understand Struts tags? > > > > > > > > > I have had problems in the past getting a "web developer" from a > > > number of design companies that > > > a. understands what struts/jstl is > > > b. understands how to change html not using DW with no reworking > > > by a java developer of any tags after the redesign > > > > > > In my experience it has been easier to either > > > a. provide a static screen in Photoshop to the designer for > > > building up in a gui of their choice. A java dev then needs to > > > insert the jstl etc in to the page and ensure it still maintains > > > the design/layout after dynamic elements have been added. > > > b. get a java dev that has the ability to rework/create the html > > > inside the jsps to the required design. > > > > > > > > > a. is easier up front but more work in the long run as it > > > involves a lot more work for the java dev (especially if you are > > > using tiles). > > > b. is more work at first but works out better in the long run and > > > has more benefits. > > > > > > > > > There has been mention of a struts gui editor on this list > > > before. You may want to check the history for the threads with > > > struts+gui or struts+ide in them. I personally use > > > JDeveloper+Ultraedit32. > > > > > > > > > Chris McCormack > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Adam Lipscombe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: 27 May 2004 09:40 > > > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > > > Subject: Are there any IDE's that understand Struts tags? > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > I am developing a J2EE server using Struts. The JSPs will be > > > constructed by > > > a web developer who is used to DreamWeaver. > > > > > > I imported the Struts tag libraries into DW, but the "design view" > > > doesn't work. > > > He cant layout the pages visually. > > > > > > Is this a limitation of DW? > > > Are there any web IDE's that understand Struts tags and allow a > > > design view > > > to be used? > > > > > > > > > TIA Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *********************************************** > > > This e-mail and its attachments are confidential > > > and are intended for the above named recipient > > > only. 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