Java ServerFaces or Shale and Struts are different and inherently incompatible visions, cf. the connection between Struts and JavaServer Faces in Hans Bergsten's book on the same. Is pointing this out or raising the issue a problem?
Of course not. There's nothing wrong with discussion, but in this case, I feel like the discussion isn't really advancing anything. I also still think that to say that Struts and JSF are inherently incompatible is simply not true - obviously, there have been many people on this list using the struts-faces library, which helps the two interoperate. Whether that's a good way to do things or a bad way, it makes it clear that "inherently incompatible" is not the right way to describe their relationship.
The name "Struts" has great branding value as the advocates of Shale and Java ServerFaces clearly see. If you want to take that name and give it to something fundamentally and philosophically inconsistent, be my guest.
Here, again: I want nothing more than a webapp framework that helps me and my team do our jobs. I don't really give a flip about the branding value of Struts name, because I'm not trying to sell it. I just want to use it.
To be honest? I'm not that interested in Shale. Right now, I'm much more excited about getting going on Struts 1.3 now that the 1.2.6 test build is up and the SVN repository has a 1.2.x branch.
Joe
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