Frank W. Zammetti wrote the following on 4/1/2005 3:48 PM:
I think there is little question that you have taken every opportunity to tell everyone that JSF is in fact "the future". There is no doubt in my mind that you actually believe that.
And Frank, you and plenty of others, constantly let us now how JSF is horrible. Actually there is a lot more bashing of JSF on this list than the occasional comment from Craig being pro JSF. Also, I notice Craig still answer a TON of basic Struts questions without even mentioning a word of JSF. I think it's quite low to state that: '(Craig has) taken every opportunity to tell everyone that JSF is in fact "the future."' this is an untrue statement - I think he's been nothing but fair in all of his presentations of the subject and if he takes "every" opportunity like you say he does, how come I bet I can pull out of the archives a bunch of recent posts where that is not the case?
But, you do work for a company with a profit motive in JSF... How could that NOT put some doubt in peoples' minds?
Because I think most of know Craig better than that. From being around the community for a long time and following Craig's posts, it's quite apparent that Craig is about providing what he feels are good solutions. You can disagree with those solutions, and that's healthy, but I find it unfair to imply that his solutions and promotion of them are tainted by profit motives since, over the years, Craig has been nothing but honest with us. You really think Craig is going "Hmm this product really stinks but I'm going to tell the Struts community that trusts me that the product is great so I can make some money."
What is also ironic is you bring up the question:
"Am I making my decision based on a reasoned examination of the solution being offered, or because I trust the person delivering the message?"
But, I'd love to know how often the flip side is asked by many of you:
"Am I DISMISSING a potential solution based on a reasoned examination of the solution being offered, or am I dismissing it because I DISTRUST the person delivering the message?"
Do you examine every Microsoft product to see if it might be a good solution? I doubt it and that's not necessarily a wrong approach. Yes Craig's word should hold some weight with us, and in a time of fast paced changing technologies no one has time to evaluate EVERY solution out there. Just count the number of web frameworks already in existence other than Struts. It's not fair to basically condemn certain people for possibly going along with JSF, or at least looking into it, because Craig is behind it.
Also, I think it's good that JSF is being pushed and marketed as a standard (even though I admit I haven't even looked into enough to make an honest evaluation of it). It doesn't need to be adopted by everyone, but it's something the J2EE world needs. I can't blame companies for choosing .NET. Just look at recent posts on this mailing list. People claiming they have a million different better ways of doing things and they should choose to do X with the RequestProcessor and add this package and combine it with this technology etc. I love all the open source solutions available and think it's fun to play around, but companies also need to make business decisions to make a profit and hence have to choose solutions they know that they can find employees to code and maintain. Too many different, equally viable, solutions can actually be a bad thing. I wish some in the open source community would actually focus on creating more products to sell. I can't tell you how many cool little open source software applications I've installed on Linux only to find out later when some bugs creaped up that the one or two developers gave up working on the project. When people are making a profit on a product they will continue to support it and continue to make it better. Profit and competition are good things for everyone.
-- Rick
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