On 6/30/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sheesh man, I'm not calling for a ban on anyone, but give Niall a break. 
> Niall is one of the most helpful people I've ever met online. Mark comes in 
> here and says "Struts is dead" and calls everyone faggots, etc., ad nauseum. 
> He might behave that way on many lists, but all of us who don't know him 
> don't know that, and we're not used to it. It doesn't bother me what people 
> say in general, but if it bothers Niall, and Joe, then suddenly it bothers me 
> too. These guys work too hard -- for us (at least partially for us). This 
> list is supposed to be about volunteering -- providing support for Struts. If 
> I was a new user and I walked into this list yesterday, I'd be saying to 
> myself, how can Struts really be any good (or worth it) if this is what it's 
> like to hang out in the community? The committers don't deserve that. It's 
> just a matter of showing respect for others. I wouldn't come into your house 
> and purposely grind mud into your carpet. This is not the Internet at-large, 
> this is the Apache Struts-user list.
> 
> Independent thought and trolling aren't the same in my opinion. I'm still not 
> for a ban on anyone, but if the committers (who do all the work) are 
> bothered, whose side are you on? How sucky would this list *really* be if 
> those guys (and all the other guys and gals who volunteer help every day) 
> went away, and left us with nothing but a mail version of IRC?
> 
> Erik
> 

+1 what he said. :)

There is a difference between expressing conflicting viewpoints,
infantile behavior, and generally being offensive. If one person's
behavior is offensive enough to drive people away then that hurts the
Struts community rather than helps it and I would expect the
committers to try and fix the problem.

FWIW, I do find Mark's posts to have little redeeming value and would
prefer not to be inflicted with them.

Melissa
(longtime lurker, infrequent poster)

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