> The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't have to code
> the framework. 

That was an interesting statement. My experience was Struts have more
codes and configuration files than straight forward JSP+Javabean+taglibs
approach that was done before.

And also I would insist J2EE vs .Net is a more appropriate
comparison than JSF vs .NET (as you suggested in another email).

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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Dakota Jack"
  To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
  Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
  Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:45:41 -0700

  >
  > The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't have to
  code
  > the framework.
  >
  > On 7/1/05, John Henry Xu wrote:
  > > Rick, you are right that you can write struts using very basic
  text editor.
  > >
  > > My consideation is based on the cost of software development.
  > >
  > > Let's say for the same problem that you tried to solve: before
  > > your code was 1000 lines. Now in struts, your code are 1500 lines
  > > (remember those setters and getters and configuration files.)
  > >
  > > Assume you use basic text editor, the time you finish your
  > > project is 1.5 times than before.
  > >
  > > Now if this transfer to many projects, the budget you finish
  > > those projects will be 1.5 times as before.
  > >
  > > Suppose your department used to spend 10 million dollars a year,
  > > now you need 15 million dollars to do the same work.
  > >
  > > So good GUIs to automate repeatable codes are neccessary to cut
  > > those 5 million dollars.
  > >
  > > Jack H. Xu
  > > Technology columnist and editor
  > >
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  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: "Rick Reumann"
  > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
  > > Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
  > > Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:35:31 -0400
  > >
  > > >
  > > > John Henry Xu wrote the following on 6/30/2005 11:49 PM:
  > > >
  > > > > struts can fit into J2EE structure and it is only part of it.
  And
  > > in
  > > > > my opinion, you better use some GUI tools to develop struts
  > > > > application, otherwise you spend lots of time on getters and
  > > setters.
  > > >
  > > > Well even many of the most basic editors will make get/set
  methods,
  > > > so I wouldn't say you need a GUI Tool at all for coding Struts
  > > > apps. I happen to use IDEA and jEdit, mostly because I'm used
  to
  > > > using them. (Yea I know Eclipse is good also..bla bla..
  everyone
  > > > just use what you like.. emacs, vim, pico, chalkboard,
  whatever:)
  > > > It's just very misleading to state that you need GUI tools to
  > > > create Struts apps.
  > > >
  > > > -- Rick
  > > >
  > > >
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