JSF is page centric rather than Action centric.  There is no controller as
you understand that in Struts with JSF.  JSF is for a tool based, dumbed
down, approach: JSF is to Struts as Visual Basic is to C++.

On 1/6/06, Rick Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the response, Craig. It's nice to get an answer from THE
> authority :-). Questions below...
>
> On Jan 6, 2006, at 5:16 PM, Craig McClanahan wrote:
>
> > I'd definitely ignore anything about prereleases of JSF 1.0 ...
> > that has
> > been out for nearly two years now.  A good starting place for
> > general JSF
> > knowledge and information is <http://jsfcentral.com>.  Kito does a
> > good job
> > of staying on top of the most recent articles and items of
> > interest.  This,
> > by the way, is *exactly* the place to start before looking much at
> > Shale
> > itself -- Shale *srongly* presumes that you are familiar with JSF,
> > and what
> > it brings to the table all by itself, because it focuses on adding
> > value
> > around the edges.  Without understanding those edges a little, it's
> > harder
> > to appreciate the benefits :-).
>
> Okay, I'll try to find a "hello world" JSF example. That might be
> enough for me to build on.
>
> A question comes up: what has happened to Tiles? Is it no longer a
> part of Struts? I'm still terribly unfamiliar with the new Struts
> website.
>
> Do I bother creating a nice Tiles hierarchy of layouts and tiles? Or
> is there some other way to get site L&F re-use?
>
> > Beyond the Shale web site[1], there's not a heck of a lot of stuff
> > yet.  One
> > high level overview is the session I did at ApacheCon (reprised
> > from one
> > that David Geary and I did at JavaOne)[2] ... but the slides lose a
> > little
> > in the translation without the corresponding demo program, which is
> > not in a
> > shape that I'm quite ready to check in yet :-).
>
> Okay, I'll hold off worrying about Shale for now. Sounds like I can
> work it in easily enough when the time comes.
>
>
> Here's my big question: do I still think in terms of Struts Actions
> handling the business logic of my application (which they rarely do;
> they usually glue to the "real" biz code)? Or do I look to putting
> all that glue within JSF controllers?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Rick
>
>
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