That may be true, but my point is that I hear a lot of developers asking
"why is JSF better?", and my contention is that very few, if any,
examples that exists today really provides that answer. Craig mentioned
MailReader as the cannonical application around these parts, and I just
said that MailReader doesn't really answer that question.
And I don't think its the marketing folks that needs to be convinced
about JSF anyway... they could care less what us architects and
developers use, for the most part. It's the *developers* asking that
question, and many are not getting the answer (some apparently are, and
I'd be interested to know how!).
Frank
Michael Jouravlev wrote:
Mailreader is for developers, not for people from marketing
department. It is not supposed to be beautiful, it is supposed to show
how common tasks are done with Struts: data in, processing, data out.
How it is presented is not that important. I mean it is important that
a framework can generate lists or comboboxes or trees (can Struts
generate trees?). But the actual styling is of less importance. One
just needs to know can he change the style and how easy.
I think that JSF should work better with XHTML/CSS-style web
development. Spit out a generic list or table in a DIV and apply
external CSS to it. It should be as simple as that. One can visit CSS
Zen Garden for examples of how cool XHTML can look like.
Michael.
On 1/11/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would agree, except for the fact that MailReader is not by any measure
an impressive application (sufficient yes, but not impressive)... in the
context of JSF (and Shale), where at least part of the point is to
enable easily building more advanced types of applications (that *IS*
part of the point, right?!?), I don't think it would do justice to the
technologies its demoing. I mean, we wouldn't want anyone to think the
best JSF can do is MailReader, would we?? :) (even me, who isn't
exactly a JSF booster, wouldn't find that fair)
Frank
Craig McClanahan wrote:
On 1/11/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My major complaint is that every single example and tutorial I've found is
so simplistic and frankly ugly as hell that it can't help but cast JSF in
a bad light
Sure sounds a lot like a canonical example program that's been around here
for a few years ... Struts MailReader :-).
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