On 3/14/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For us, it's not about branding or marketshare or any of that. It's > > about volunteer share. It's about which products that we, as > > engineeers, want to use to build our own applications. > > This is where I do happen to disagree with you Ted. As I said earlier, > Struts has become something more to a great many people. Many > businesses rely on Struts. Many peoples' livelihoods depend on Struts. > I hope you would agree with those statements. Because of that, you > take on a greater responsibility than simply contributing. Of course > you should be guided to a large degree by what you want to use to build > your own applications. That's understandable and appropriate. But it > you don't see yourself having a larger responsibility because of what > Struts is to many people, I don't think you completely appreciate the > position you have (again, I'm not speaking directly to you Ted, this is > the metaphorical "you").
Frank, let us not mix Struts and JSF. Struts was created by a bunch of enthusiasts and was put up for grabs. Like it? Take it. Its license allows you (metaphorical "you") to get the source code and run with it. Don't like it? Change it. Why I (metaphorical "I") should fix bugs and improve current code only because you (metaphorical "you") think that I (metaphorical "I") *must* do that? JSF, on the other hand, was strictly commercial from the day one. Vendors' support is programmed in it (IDEs, components, whatnot) as well as vendors and business put their stake on JSF. JSF will succeed, too much is on stake. Will it kill all other framework, still remains the question. > > If our solutions solve other > > people's problems too, that's great, but, for us, marketshare is not > > the point of the exercise. > > But it has *become* at least *part* of the exercise. Struts has. When > an open-source project gets to a certain level of acceptance, there > *has* to be a point where responsibility to others kicks in. I don't think so. not Until zillions of buckazoids fall in my palms (metaphorical "my"... to my regret). Nah. Michael J. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
