Mark Lowe wrote:
Look.. You've been invited to post your thoughts about the way that
apache do stuff, to a more appropiate audience than a bunch of
half-wit struts users like me..
Mark, I was involved in a conversation with various people. It so
happens that the conversation developed here.
What I'm wondering about all this is the following:
Suppose you went to some meeting, let's say a Struts Users Group
meeting. I'm talking about a non-virtual setting. At this meeting,
various people get involved in a discussion, maybe even a passionate,
heated discussion about something like this.
Under what circumstances would you butt into a conversation other people
were having and start loudly telling one or more of those people to shut
up? I mean in a situation in which you were not even part of the
discussion even.
I would bet that you never would behave like this, because this would be
outrageous, uncouth behavior. If you're not interested in what they're
talking about, simply wander off and have some other interaction. The
fact that these people are having whatever discussion does not cause you
any particular inconvenience or problem. Similarly, nobody forces you to
follow every conversation that is going on in this forum.
Now, if you think the above behavior is unacceptable in the non-virtual
meeting, why do you think it's acceptable here? You take it upon
yourself to jump into a conversation in which you were not even
participating and tell people to shut up.
Please explain why you think this is acceptable.
I was using "smear" more in the context of "to soil"
You might have a point, you might not, you could be the next pope for
all i care.. Let the thread die.. What do you want? Everyone to say..
Yes "jonathon you're correct", "freemarker is the best because you're
involved and it employs a more open policy in respect to commit
privledges" .. What do you want people to say?
As I said before, I posed a question. It was not a smarmy sarcastic
question like that of James Mitchell asking me where my patch for the
front web page was. I simply asked a straightforward question about why
Struts development had stagnated if all the project management practices
were so great.
This is a completely fair and relevant question in the context of the
discussion that developed. I asked the question because I truly was
interested to know what their answer would be.
I still don't know since nobody has answered the question. Again, why
should I not ask this question? In what way is it a "smear" for me to
ask this question?
And again, I will be fascinated to know why you think your behavior in
butting into a conversation in which you were not a participant is at
all acceptable. Maybe you should step back and think about this a bit.
Regards,
Jonathan Revusky
--
lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/
Okay,.. You're my hero!! Jonathan is king!!! Anything else? I
surrender, I'll say whatever you want, your insesent ascii diarrhea
has beaten us all into submission!!!! Anything else you want me to say
to stop this thread just say!!! I'll do whatever you want!!! Please
just tell me what i can do..
Mark
On 3/25/06, Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mark Lowe wrote:
May I +1000 what steve said, I'm all for a bit of digression, but this
thread has narrowed the sematic gap between "to post" and "to smear"..
What smear? Do you mean "smear" as in "slander"? Could you be more
explicit about this? I think you ought to clarify what you mean by that
statement or retract it.
I asked Steve Raeburn the same question I have asked before. The
question is as follows:
"If your project management practices are so great, how come Struts
development stagnated to such an extent?"
The stagnation is not a matter of legitimate debate now. They have had
to bring in Webwork, a competing project developed outside of ASF, so
that they could have something more up-to-date to offer under the
"Struts" brand-name.
Why should I not ask that question? Because these people find it
embarassing? Well, that's tough cookies, eh? Is that what you're talking
about when you say a "smear"? I'm satisfied that this is a completely
fair question. It's also a tough question, but it's 100% fair and it's
100% on-topic to this discussion.
I don't see any reason for these people to refuse to answer it. It's a
natural question when people insist that their approach to project
management is beyond reproach.
Jonathan Revusky
--
lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/
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