Dion, I have taken another look at my response.  I see that it is too
emotionally laden.  My apologies.  However, on the substantive issues, this
really is a matter of just reading the literature.  If you find any reason
to debate the issue, then I would be happy to do that.  But,  to see what it
takes for a design to be test friendly is a matter that takes more time than
I want to give to you.  Again, my apologies for the language that was too
strong.

On 3/29/06, Dion Gillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ah, personal attack, thanks.
>
> I wouldn't want people to think that it's not possible to write decent
> tests
> with Struts 1.x.
>
> It is.
>
>
> On 3/30/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Sigh ......   Dion, I am sorry, but I am not going to stoop this
> > low.  Come
> > back later when you are grown up in this business.  I hate to do this
> but
> > I
> > am not going to start at 101 with you.  Someone else can.  I am not
> going
> > to.  You DON'T have a clue about these issues and don't even realize
> that
> > you are revealing that in spades.  Please do yourself a favor and bow
> out
> > gracefully.
> >
> > On 3/29/06, Dion Gillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 3/30/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dion, you are obviously really green.  Please read a bit and then
> come
> > > > back.  Do you have any idea about architecture and design and
> testing
> > > > issues?
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, I do. Do you?
> > >
> > > So, the use of StrutsTestCase has an effect on architecture and
> design?
> > > Are you saying you can't test your code using it? I seem to do it
> > > reasonably
> > > easily.
> > >
> > > On 3/29/06, Dion Gillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 3/30/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > God, Joe!  If you don't know what is wrong with Struts 1.x then
> > > stand
> > > > > > aside.  For one, try writing decent tests.  Do you test your
> code?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So StrutsTestCase doesn't help you?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 3/29/06, Joe Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jonathon,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You didn't answer Dion's question. You merely summarized that
> > > Struts
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > WebWork merged.
> > > > > > > You did not state any technical reasons that Struts 1.x is
> > wrong.
> > > > > > > The question was "Do you have a list of
> > > > > > > things that are technically wrong with Struts 1.x?"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You complain that people don't answer questions on this list
> and
> > > > look
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > you've just done.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So do you have an answer?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >You should not use me as some kind of scapegoat to take out
> > your
> > > > > > > >frustrations on. Take this stuff up with the Struts PMC, not
> > > > > > > >with me. >Jonathan Revusky
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Very unbecoming of you Jon. Stop trying to change the subject
> > and
> > > > > answer
> > > > > > > the question.The question is:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Do you have a list of things that are technically wrong with
> > > Struts
> > > > > 1.x
> > > > > > ?"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on
> its
> > > > > back."
> > > > > > ~Dakota Jack~
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > http://www.multitask.com.au/people/dion/
> > > > > Chuck Norris sleeps with a night light. Not because Chuck Norris
> is
> > > > afraid
> > > > > of the dark, but because the dark is afraid of Chuck Norris
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its
> > > back."
> > > > ~Dakota Jack~
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.multitask.com.au/people/dion/
> > > Chuck Norris sleeps with a night light. Not because Chuck Norris is
> > afraid
> > > of the dark, but because the dark is afraid of Chuck Norris
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its
> back."
> > ~Dakota Jack~
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> http://www.multitask.com.au/people/dion/
> Chuck Norris sleeps with a night light. Not because Chuck Norris is afraid
> of the dark, but because the dark is afraid of Chuck Norris
>
>


--
"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back."
~Dakota Jack~

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