You are just wrong about this, Alexandre. Check out the archives before you embarrass yourself. However, as usual this is a non-starter. This discussion is as important as answer the other questions. You just don't understand how things work.
On 4/19/06, Alexandre Poitras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 4/19/06, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jonathan Revusky wrote: > > > Dave Newton wrote: > > >> If it _didn't_ make somebody shudder I'd seriously question their > > >> overall programming knowledge... at some point you have to start > over. > > > > > > Well, that's one assessment. OTOH, it is problematic to think that if > > > somebody disagrees with you on this or something else that it calls > > > into question their professional competence. > > > > Let's see... > > > > "[...] if somebody disagrees with you on this or something else [...]" > > > > You added the "or something else" part. I was addressing the idea that > > refactoring Struts 1.x to the degree necessary to make it a "modern > > solution" (the definition of which is yet another debate I shall not be > > bothered with.) > > > > I stand by what I said: it's simply not worth the effort when other, > > better [IMO] solution exist, and I would most certainly question the > > knowledge of someone that disagreed with me. Would I _listen_ to why > > s/he thinks it'd be worth it? For a little while, sure, until I made a > > decision regarding their professional competence. > > > > I guess it's "taboo" to call people's professional competence into > > question though. > > > > That's weird, 'cuz I do that almost every day. Heck, when I was more > > directly involved in the hiring/firing/etc. I often did it several times > > a day. When I was looking at resumes I'd question competence on a > > line-by-line basis. > > > > > Again, I think my point stands: if there is no desire on the part of > > > existing Struts committers to do anything with the Struts 1.x > > > codebase, then there is really nothing to lose by letting other people > > > who want to develop that come in and do something. > > > > Of course _you_ think your point stands, why else would you bother? > > > > (Well, I wonder why you'd bother anyway since you're not involved in the > > web-app space, or Struts, but this seems to be a long-term ongoing issue > > with you. It's okay little buddy; we've all got our issues.) > > > > The point _I_ made regarding willy-nilly commit rights also still > > stands: I know _I_ wouldn't have time to review everybody's new code, > > stability is important to me, so I don't _want_ just anybody to have > > commit access. > > > > > If you say so... I am not quite sure what the basis of our > > > disagreement on that was. And I have to point out that, okay, you can > > > disagree with me, but it's hardly a symmetrical thing. I have actual > > > experience running open source projects. You apparently do not. > > > > And? I guess that invalidates anything I have to say. > > > > You're not a politician (and, I suspect, have never been one) so I will > > not listen to anything you have to say regarding the current Iraq > > situation, which you inappropriately tried to use as an example saying > > that just because you have an opinion on it doesn't mean you should have > > to go over there and fix it. Obviously you going over there would not > > fix that particular problem. > > > > Although it might fix several others. > > > > > But anyway, to focus on the question of our disagreement on this, > > > let's take a specific case in point. I am not acquainted personally > > > with Phil Zoio, the author of Strecks. It's not like I have some > > > agenda of "championing his cause" or something like that; it's just a > > > case in point to focus discussion. Now, it seems self-evident that > > > this is a guy who is able and willing to do some quality work. Now, my > > > view of things is that there is really no legitimate reason not to > > > immediately make somebody like that a committer on the Struts project, > > > if he wanted to do work on 1.x. (Again, if he or others want to do > > > something with it and the existing committers don't...) > > > > > > Do you disagree with my view on this? If you do, what is the basis for > > > your disagreement? > > > > Yes, I disagree. > > > > I don't know Phil, I haven't seen Strecks, haven't seen the code, etc. > > so I have zero basis for saying he's "able and willing to do some > > quality work." That's a show-stopper. > > > > "Oh, he has an open-source project that sounds and looks good, and he > > wants to work." Those are not credentials. He might be the greatest > > programmer ever, Strecks might be the bestest thing since sliced bread > > (but it's not because it's not Lisp or SmallTalk, but whatever), and > > maybe it _should_ be brought in. Awesome--but _I_ don't know that. > > > > So I would remain agnostic pending further information. > > > > I still don't know why you care so much about, and spend so much time > > discussing, a project you're not interested in. > > > > Maybe a big big big EGO :) Funny how Jonathan or Dakota are always so > quick to anwser when it comes to the future of Struts or Apache but > they don't answer any other questions on this list. I'm not better but > I highly appreciate what Apache has done for me in the last couple of > years and before critizing it so harshly I would try to participate a > little bit more. Hey guys, you don't need any commit privileges to > answer questions or make suggestions on this list by the way. > > > Dave > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- "You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it float on its back." ~Dakota Jack~
