first started using struts in 02 and have been a strong advocate of Struts implementations since I believe the incorporation of Ajax enabled Dojo controls and interceptor call stack from freemarker pushed usability of Struts ahead of JSF in those areas unfortunately Struts RAD tools are not as well developed as JSF so teaching Struts to new college grads who use only IDEs is not so easy..also the addressing of bug assignments and what gets accomplished has devolved since Craig and Tad left..incorporation of IOC technologies such as Spring gravitates to Spring accomodates Struts instead of the other way around Oracle/Sun JDeveloper IDE seem to be gaining marketshare on Eclipse.. combined with easy WAR/EAR deploy to either Weblogic or Glassfish the details of a j2ee ejb-configuration and incorporating connection-pools and Persistence architectures are easily handled by user-friendly UI gracefully which populate deployment descriptors
In Academia Struts seems to have the lead but measuring actual business revenue JSF seems to edge iut Struts as managers prefer a Oracle or Sun backed product support is another matter as the the 2 JSF support avenues i know of are tomcat-users-list or glassfish-users-list where the expertise is more on tc container configurations, tweaking perm-gen, using asadmin instead of how do i get a faces control to receive JSON formatted response back to my div tag JSF's component based event handlers works well for folks coming from .NET but i wonder about the overhead what do others think of jsf? Martin Gainty ______________________________________________ Verzicht und Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene Empfaenger sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede unbefugte Weiterleitung oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. 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Étant donné que les email peuvent facilement être sujets à la manipulation, nous ne pouvons accepter aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni. > From: strut...@gmail.com > To: user@struts.apache.org > Subject: RE: Struts vs Other competitors > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:42:06 +0300 > > Thank you Martin, > > Sooner or later we start considering programming as business. > It's critical to develop new products or new versions with parameters that > would be faster, more quality and less expensive. > I agree with Matt Rable that JSF programming based on RAD methods makes us > transition to JSF. > I think that big companies are destined to make this step to > increase the customer base and to be able to offer high quality > services. I liked ADF very much, primarily for its visual development > environment, quantity of objects, code generation and quality of > applications. Today I'm spending extra time to transition to JSF+ADF > ASAP. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Gainty [mailto:mgai...@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 5:01 AM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: RE: Struts vs Other competitors > > > support for Toplink > support for EJB3.0 > the struts plugin-extension is for Struts1 core development and UML > diagramming editor > so if you want to use JDev IDE you'll only see support for Struts and not > Struts2 > good support for JSF-faces ..the JSF chair is a Sun Senior Fellow and since > Sun was just purchased by Oracle > > this describes incorporating Struts1 extension > http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/jdev/tips/mills/struts_diagram.htm > l > > what is your impression of ADF? > Martin > ______________________________________________ > Verzicht und Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité > > Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene > Empfaenger sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede unbefugte > Weiterleitung oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. Diese Nachricht > dient lediglich dem Austausch von Informationen und entfaltet keine > rechtliche Bindungswirkung. Aufgrund der leichten Manipulierbarkeit von > E-Mails koennen wir keine Haftung fuer den Inhalt uebernehmen. > Ce message est confidentiel et peut être privilégié. Si vous n'êtes pas le > destinataire prévu, nous te demandons avec bonté que pour satisfaire > informez l'expéditeur. N'importe quelle diffusion non autorisée ou la copie > de ceci est interdite. Ce message sert à l'information seulement et n'aura > pas n'importe quel effet légalement obligatoire. Étant donné que les email > peuvent facilement être sujets à la manipulation, nous ne pouvons accepter > aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni. > > > > > > From: strut...@gmail.com > > To: user@struts.apache.org > > Subject: RE: Struts vs Other competitors > > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:59:25 +0300 > > > > Martin, > > What do you think about Oracle ADF ? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Martin Gainty [mailto:mgai...@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:42 PM > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > Subject: RE: Struts vs Other competitors > > > > > > Raible rated Struts as "poor support" > > > > support in JSF is based on implementing container: e.g. glassfish users > > group or tomcat users group.. > > usually all questions are answered in TC but not so with GF > > Struts is Front Controller based ..basically one event/one request > > JSF is Page Controller n events are parsed from one Request > > In Struts navigation is tied to Action > > in JSF navigation is tied to Page > > http://websphere.sys-con.com/node/46516 > > > > ASP.NET is specific to Microsoft platforms which means 75% of the > installed > > servers cannot run it > > > > Martin Gainty > > ______________________________________________ > > Jogi és Bizalmassági kinyilatkoztatás/Verzicht und > > Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité > > Ez az > > üzenet bizalmas. Ha nem ön az akinek szánva volt, akkor kérjük, hogy > > jelentse azt nekünk vissza. Semmiféle továbbítása vagy másolatának > > készítése nem megengedett. Ez az üzenet csak ismeret cserét szolgál és > > semmiféle jogi alkalmazhatósága sincs. Mivel az electronikus üzenetek > > könnyen megváltoztathatóak, ezért minket semmi felelöség nem terhelhet > > ezen üzenet tartalma miatt. > > > > Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene > > Empfaenger sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede unbefugte > > Weiterleitung oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. Diese Nachricht > > dient lediglich dem Austausch von Informationen und entfaltet keine > > rechtliche Bindungswirkung. Aufgrund der leichten Manipulierbarkeit von > > E-Mails koennen wir keine Haftung fuer den Inhalt uebernehmen. > > Ce message est confidentiel et peut être privilégié. Si vous n'êtes pas le > > destinataire prévu, nous te demandons avec bonté que pour satisfaire > > informez l'expéditeur. N'importe quelle diffusion non autorisée ou la > copie > > de ceci est interdite. Ce message sert à l'information seulement et n'aura > > pas n'importe quel effet légalement obligatoire. Étant donné que les email > > peuvent facilement être sujets à la manipulation, nous ne pouvons accepter > > aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni. > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:31:18 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: Struts vs Other competitors > > > From: musa...@gmail.com > > > To: user@struts.apache.org > > > > > > dig around Matt Raible's blog/presentations, he has plenty of stuff > > > related to that. > > > > > > musachy > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Ricardo > > > Ramos<battery.in.your....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > Can you guys point me to some literature debating Struts 1 vs. Struts > 2 > > vs. > > > > Asp.NET vs. JSF vs. etc..? > > > > > > > > The project on which I'm working on currently uses Struts 1 (+ Spring > > and > > > > Hibernate). Although I don't foresee a migration happening for the > > following > > > > years, it would be very interesting to make an analysis of all the > > > > state-of-art options. For this to happen, I really needed to find and > > read > > > > some high-authority text to provide me the base for this analysis. > > > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "Hey you! Would you help me to carry the stone?" Pink Floyd > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: user-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: user-h...@struts.apache.org > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows Live™ SkyDrive™: Store, access, and share your photos. 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