Hi Erick, Thanks for your answer! In evaluating frameworks we are trying to see how they do satisfy the following conditions:
-Easy of use and developers productivity. I know this sounds very vague but I essentially mean things like. What components (taglibs in case of struts) do I get for free? How easy is to combine and use them? Are they extensible? In here, I would like if possible to avoid having our developers having to write tons of JavaScript/JSP spaghetti code which at the end result in unmaintenable code... To illustrate this lets see what takes me to build the table I have show at the image http://antilia.googlecode.com/svn/wiki/Grid.PNG HTML <div> <div wicket:id="table" style="padding-top: 5px;"></div> </div> Java TableModel<Person> tableModel = new TableModel<Person>(Person.class, "id", "name", "lastName1"); .... Table<Person> table = new Table<Person>("table",tableModel, Person.createPersons()); add(table); All the JavaScript, Ajax navigation, etc. is taken care by the component. So, in JSP parlance I would like something like <mytalib:grid model="${myModel}" dataProvider="${myProvider}"/> and those objects added at the server side... - Learning curve. How difficult will be for our developers to adapt to a new framework. Struts2 has advantage here because right now we are using struts 1. - How easy will be maintaining the internal tools, components we create ourselves and/or how stable-backward compatible are the external components-tools we choose to use. As for Wicket AJAX implementation... You can see an example of how it works here http://wicket.apache.org/exampleajaxcounter.html I think it deserves expending sometime looking at what Wicket does, even if you don;t plant to use it, because you can get ideas of how things could be done in different ways IMHO, it is really a neat thing... because your don't have to know any Java script library whatsoever and your can control at the server side which components to update via AJAX. I didn't know about the grid http://www.trirand.com/jqgrid/jqgrid.html It looks really nice... I'll look into it and see if can make a neat Component out of it... Best, Ernesto 2009/8/25 Obinna <obi...@gmail.com> > Ernesto, > I understand what you mean. You're right to point to the issue of > maintainability as a main concern. One of the big issues with trying to > support an external AJAX framework really is maintainability. That was a > big > problem with the dojo plugin where the dojo framework changed dramatically > between releases and there simply weren't the resources to basically > re-write the plugin to keep up. This has led to an intentional strategy > with > the jquery plugin to only implement (as part of the default plugin), the > widgets that are officially released as part of the jquery-ui release. This > really mitigates the risk and job of maintaining the plugin. Having said > that, in fact specifically because of this, the plugin must allow for easy > integration of custom widgets (see the 'Custom Widget' sample so the > showcase <http://struts2-jquery.apposit.com/home.action> site) and if the > plugin is adopted widely enough, one should quickly see a proliferation of > plugin-plugins :) - custom widgets that end users have developed for the > plugin. > What's great is that anything that is implemented as a jquery widget can be > easily integrated as a struts2-jquery widget, so a big part of your answer > in evaluating this particular plugin is should really be how much you like > jquery and it's ajax/widget functionality vs. the js/ajax that other > plugins/wicket offer - IMO jquery really is about as good as it gets both > as > a js/ajax library and a js widget library ;). Funny you should mention a > grid control, becuase I am just considering implementing and plugging in a > widget using the jquery jQGrid > <http://www.trirand.com/jqgrid/jqgrid.html>control at the moment. > jQuery is a powerful js framework of choice in > general, and has *TONS* of custom widgets (some better than others) which > you can use independently or choose to integrate with struts2 using the > plugin. > > Maturity may of course be a concern of yours, and though struts 2 is very > mature, but the jquery-plugin for it is still in its youth if that matters > to you. I am using it effectively in production at the moment, but then > again I am also working on it. > > I'm not familiar with wicket's functionality (it's somehting i've been > planning to check out), so please explain what you mean by 'what they offer > in terms of functionality and producivity'. Do you mean the list of > available components/widgets? I can't speak for the struts team but my > feeling is that the goals of struts and wicket are quite different and that > should really effect your choice. > > Hope this helps. > > -Eric > > > > 2009/8/25 Ernesto Reinaldo Barreiro <reier...@gmail.com> > > > Hi Obinna, > > Thanks for your answer... > > > > I have seen and tried both the dojo plugin and the struts2-jquery-plugin > in > > an small showcase application I have built just to summarize (for > internal > > use) what is available for struts2.... But to be sincere I'm not very > > impressed about what they offer in terms of productivity and > functionality > > if you compare them with what you get using a component based frameworks > > like Wicket. Please, I have no intention to say that there is anything > > wrong with those plugins, I'm a developer myself and I know how much > energy > > demands maintaining something... It is just that the way to work with > them > > seem to me unnatural after trying Wicket's AJAX implementation. > > > > For instance, something I haven't found is a good free grid component > > supporting AJAX navigation and advanced functionality like draggable, > > resizable columns... Something like: > > > > http://antilia.googlecode.com/svn/wiki/Grid.PNG > > http://antilia.googlecode.com/svn/wiki/GridExport.PNG > > http://antilia.googlecode.com/svn/wiki/Panels.PNG > > > > So, I just was wondering what kind of tag-libraries, components, etc. > > People > > use to build such applications...and how much effort was to build them... > > and weather those applications where freely available just to see how do > > they look and what kind of functionality I can expect to achieve... > > > > Best, > > > > Ernesto > > > > > > > > > > 2009/8/25 Obinna <obi...@gmail.com> > > > > > I have used struts 2 for a number of RIAs but unfortunately none of > them > > > are > > > public. In the past I used to use it with the dojo plugin, and samples > > for > > > using that framework are available with the struts showcase, however > > > support > > > for that has been stopped and struts 2 is moving toward implementing a > > > standard jquery plugin. At the moment there are two functional > > incarnations > > > of a jquery ajax plugin at: > > > http://code.google.com/p/struts2-jquery-plugin/and > > > http://code.google.com/p/struts2-jquery/ which are in the process of > > > getting > > > merged very soon. Both have fairly extensive showcase sites and > > > documentation. > > > > > > I also used struts 1 in the past, and general speaking, I've found the > > move > > > from struts 1 to struts 2 nothing short of revolutionizing. With the > > > current > > > jquery ajax plugins (and the general power of jquery itself for > > > non-componentized interface stuff), the applications I am producing now > > are > > > quite impressive (if i may say so myself :) ) and rapid to develop. > > > > > > - Eric > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:27 PM, reiern70 <reier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for multiple post of the same question but I thought my message > > > > didn't > > > > make it to the list as I get > > > > the following notification > > > > --- > > > > Hi. This is the deliver program at bjtu.edu.cn. > > > > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following > > > > addresses. > > > > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > > > > > > > 02211...@mail.bjtu.edu.cn > > > > quota exceed > > > > --- Attachment is a copy of the message. > > > > > > > > [这是服务器 bjtu.edu.cn 的投递程序返回的提示信息] > > > > > > > > 到下列地址的信件投递失败，对方服务器无法正常接受或者拒绝接受这封邮件， > > > > 这是一个永久性的错误，服务器已经放弃继续投递。 > > > > 02211...@mail.bjtu.edu.cn > > > > > > > > 对方服务器返回错误提示: > > > > quota exceed > > > > -- > > > > [附件是您所发送信件的原件] > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Does anyone has the same problem? > > > > > > > > Best. > > > > > > > > Ernesto > > > > > > > > > > > > reiern70 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I have been trying to find references to enterpise WEB > applications, > > or > > > > > Rich > > > > > Internet Applications, out there using struts2 but I have found > > > > > no references on struts 2 web site or in this mailing list. My > > > apologies > > > > > if this information is available somewhere on the strust2 site or > > this > > > > > list and I somehow I just missed it. > > > > > > > > > > Right now we are evaluating different technologies to be used for > > > > > WEB development at our company and struts2 is one of them (as we > are > > > > > currently using struts 1 for development). In fact, one of the > > > objectives > > > > > of > > > > > the our quest is to select a Java WEB framework that allows us to > > > easily > > > > > build Rich Internet Applications with lots of AJAX based widgets > and > > > AJAX > > > > > like functionality... > > > > > > > > > > Any pointers to publicly available struts2 based RIA applications > > will > > > be > > > > > welcome... > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > > > Ernesto > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > View this message in context: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nabble.com/example-of-rich-internet-applications-%28RIAs%29-using-struts-2-tp25131617p25131900.html > > > > Sent from the Struts - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: user-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: user-h...@struts.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
