On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Carol Pearson <[email protected]> wrote:
> ... > If we need an official call, that's apache-legal, right St.Ack? Is it > worth it to worry about that? I saw that Steve's earlier question there > hasn't gotten any responses, and I hate to bring up something this trivial > for no good reason... > > It would be apache legal, yes. They can be slow sometimes. St.Ack > -Carol P. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Email: [email protected] > Twitter: @CarolP222 > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Stack <[email protected]> wrote: > >> 'A' or 'a' doesn't matter I'd say. >> St.Ack >> >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Gunnar Tapper <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> It's better to stand out as long as it doesn't violates some rule... :) >>> Carol might know the answer to whether lowercase does. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Sean Broeder <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I know there has been some talk of using lower case in Trafodion, but >>>> do we want to extend that to Apache? I’ve done some non-exhaustive >>>> searches and can’t find any instance where the leading ‘A’ is not >>>> capitalized. I think we should follow that pattern. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Sean >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 12:31 PM >>>> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to >>>> propose the following draft as a candidate: >>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version >>>> for consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on >>>> the gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but >>>> that's better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from >>>> Google Fonts: Telex Regular. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well: >>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm >>>> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gunnar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and >>>> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion >>>> fits into the puzzle ;-) . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to >>>> be honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in >>>> the US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of >>>> our traffic comes from. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Carol P. >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Email: [email protected] >>>> >>>> Twitter: @CarolP222 >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are >>>> serious. >>>> >>>> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the >>>> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will. >>>> >>>> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product >>>> name. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Venkat >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Cc:* Rohit Jain <[email protected]>; Gunnar Tapper < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It seems we might need multiple votes: >>>> >>>> - One color or multiple colors? >>>> >>>> - Thin font or thick font? >>>> >>>> - One font or two fonts? >>>> >>>> - Apache or not… >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J >>>> >>>> -clr >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Cc:* Rohit <[email protected]>; Gunnar Tapper < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -1 all same color. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to >>>> remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to >>>> read about it? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as >>>> compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet. I >>>> feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rohit >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: Qifan Chen <[email protected]> >>>> Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00) >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> >>>> Cc: Gunnar Tapper <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal >>>> >>>> I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the >>>> dragon and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the >>>> word APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the >>>> "power by Apache" logo, see URL here >>>> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication >>>> of "Apache". >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks --Qifan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> -1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rohit >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: Gunnar Tapper <[email protected]> >>>> Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00) >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> A simple change: >>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gunnar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Option 4!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Trina >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well. Though I would >>>> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out >>>> and I'm not fond of it overall... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at >>>> all.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks Ken! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Carol P. >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Email: [email protected] >>>> >>>> Twitter: @CarolP222 >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them >>>> both. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. >>>> The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion. Like the dragon to sit on the >>>> right, not on top of Trafodion. But the font in #4 looks more professional >>>> (perhaps also in lower case). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Weishiun >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), >>>> but with the placement of option 6. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That said, either one is fine. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> +1 option 4 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> +1 option 4 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked >>>> that. >>>> >>>> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Option 4 >>>> >>>> >>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Option 6 >>>> >>>> >>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited >>>> field testing! >>>> >>>> Comments on 4 & 6? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, Ken >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So we >>>> could try with a simple bold font . Perhaps with an outline of a different >>>> color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as >>>> well. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with >>>> another somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on >>>> the trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still >>>> not my favorite). >>>> >>>> >>>> Hans >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary. The original is >>>> a vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality, >>>> which I will make available when the debate has settled on something. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon >>>> and post another version of that. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense. >>>> >>>> Cheers, Ken >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> +1 on dragon. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> +1 on the Dragon!!! Looks great! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it >>>> separately. Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is >>>> always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the >>>> cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon >>>> carries. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> St.Ack >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Carol P. >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Email: [email protected] >>>> >>>> Twitter: @CarolP222 >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> +1 for Dragon. >>>> >>>> The Trafodion cursive writing and color -1. IMHO we need to rework the >>>> writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and >>>> complicated with the cursive. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> +10 for dragon! Very cute! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else >>>> likes... I give it a +0 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements >>>> really well the yellow elephant! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> -clr >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s >>>> too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have >>>> that issue. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Logo Proposal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Apache Trafodion needs a logo. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite >>>> some time ago, but we never really resolved it. In the very early days of >>>> Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo >>>> that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a >>>> simple cute dragon. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose >>>> that we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dragon standalone - >>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing >>>> >>>> Trafodion name & dragon - >>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s >>>> look too similar. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thoughts? Should we vote on this? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, Ken >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Amanda Moran >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gunnar >>>> >>>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gunnar >>>> >>>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Regards, --Qifan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Regards, --Qifan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gunnar >>>> >>>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.* >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Gunnar >>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.* >>> >> >> >
