Den 10-12-2000 01:49 skrev Ben Bucksch (At 10-12-2000 01:49 Ben Bucksch
wrote)...
>Peter Fjelsten wrote to feedback:
>
>>I like it! I tried installing NS6 after having run Preview3 but it wouldn't
>>run under Win2K SP1. I am an Opera-man but Beonex is much better than NS6 -
>>as you write yourself, Beonex is without all the AOL-crap that comes with NS.
>
>Note: Beonex has no such "crap" for ideological reasons, not in order to save
>you from advertizing.
I know. I read the web page. It sounds like Opera have the same views on
things. Ironically, their new version is ad supported (i.e. there is now a free
version supported by ads). There is a lot controversy about this at the Opera
newsgroups <news://news.opera.com/>. The bottom line is that there are no
privacy issues (O has coded the whole stuff themselves -
<http://www.opera.com/privacy/adinfo.html>). Maybe it was a way for you to
generate revenue? Does Mozilla.org prohibit ads?
>"User agents" are not really *user*-agents anymore, but work for the interest
>of and with the sites, while they should really see the site as opposite party
>(like in a contract).
I know. As an Opera user, many sites won't let you in due to the User Agent
string. In Opera one can change the user agent string (a drop down in the
preferences). Often the page works if you change the user agent to IE5,
Mozilla5 or whatever.
>Oh. I thought, Mozilla has preferences for everything (often without UI,
>though). I don't know Opera - what specifically are you missing?
- User CSS
- More privacy options
- (though this is not a preferences thing) better keyboard shortcuts. I
ususally browse with one hand on the mouse, so going back in Beonex is either
moving the mouse the long way up to the back button or using CTRL+arrows. In
Opera it's Z for back and X for forward (you can keep your hand on the mouse).
>I do know that the cross-linking needs a lot of improvement. Maybe, I should
>introduce something like Berlin's <http://www.berlin-consortium.org> "jump"-
>(formerly "Related"-) bar on the left? That way, I could e.g. link to the
>announce mailinglist on the support pages.
That would improve a sense of direction a great deal. Maybe rearrange the site
into 2 parts:
- the product (with features/download/mailing list/...)
- development/project (how it is funded/how it's tied to Mozilla/the whole GPL
thing/...)
>>it is quite hard to find out what/who Beonex actually is.
>>What I miss is:
>>Why you are doing this? What is the company structure?
>
>These questions surprise me somewhat.
>
>How does <http://www.beonex.com/communicator> not explain, what Beonex
>Communciator is? At the end of the page, there is even our business model
>mentioned in short.
OK I should have written it differently. What I meant is that the URI above is
where new people probably end up. What I miss is a bit more detailed
information on how Beonex is different from NS6.
>>In short, something for the lesser geeks! :)
>
>Yes, do I have a problem with explaining all this for normal users.
That would be me! :)
>Requirements I *know*:
>- Short (otherwise, it won't be read)
>- Correct
>- Stable URLs
>- Rational (no excited marketing fluff)
But, in a way, using marketing-like language (lexicography) will probably help
people understanding better as this is what they are used to.
>So, if some "normal" users could help me with rewording and maybe reorganizing
>the website, that would be appreciated. Suggestions welcome :).
I have _absolutely_ no time (I'm at university/exams), but I'll see if I can
think og a good site structure.
>The URL structure (and thus some of the site structure) must remain that way,
>because the URLs will still have to work in a few years (assuming Beonex is
>still in business then). I don't want to maintain a host of redirections like
>Netscape and others do.
Understandable - those sites are humongous!
>Also, we still need to offer enough information for "geeks" (which are part of
>our userbase).
IMHO, that would be best presented under the development section. The whole
question is what your aim with Beonex is. If you main source of revenue is
corporate support (or you hope it to be), then that part of things needs played
up, or...?
>>[Reordered:] What are your plans (next releases)?
>
>I don't know either :-(.
Fair enough. Not pushing you... :)
>>All in all, if I could just get Beonex to work with my bank
>><www.danskenetbank.dk> that is Java based, NS 4.08 is out the window. I
>>like it!
>
>Just install PSM (see install page).
Nope! Did that.
>>Keep up the good work.
>>BTW, the rendering engine in Mozilla is strange: it's as if the page is drawn
>>and then fine tuned afterwards. What is happening?
>
>Note sure what you mean. It renders progressively, i.e. renders something
>before all required information (e.g. the table structure) is available
>(downloaded). This requires re-rendering later.
That's funny. That's what I mean. Opera renders all at once.
>(Peter, I think, this is of general interest, so I posted it to the users
>mailinglist <http://www.beonex.org/support>, too. Please cc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>in your replies.)
Done.
--
Peter Fjelsten
"Scuba Diving... another great activity where your main goal is to not die" -
Jerry Seinfeld
