Actually, the building was not really that difficult.. Like I said earlier, it was way simpler than my first go-round with PHP and make *shudder* I have only used CVS for cocoon.. I dislike building from source unless I *have* to.. and I was in big favour with making cocoon only a source dist.
What I think would help is not an easier build mechanism or binary dist, but some real world type examples.. think of a Cocoon area on hotscripts.com :P Everyone seems to agree that building the samples gives you a good look at what is possible, then we all spent weeks or months getting what we wanted out of it. I think some samples for simple, everday web site things, like guestbooks, forums, news, etc, would give them a reason to start off with converting their sites and keep em going past that initial "Arghh I know this is good" step. This stuff does not have to be java code.. I am doing a lot of these things with simple source-writing and xsl. Don't get me wrong.. the Wiki is fantastic and I am snooping around in there almost everyday... but it is not really all that user friendly I don't think. None of my comments are point out any flaws.. I just think cocoon is the kickin' ass thing to come down the pipe since I dropped my chainsaw and went geek :) JD -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cocoon activity Rod Giffin wrote: >>the truth is that cocoon is not (beginners-dev)-friendly >>because many parameters (the pipeline-approach, missing IDE, less debug >>tools) >> >>after 2 years here and with cocoon in production from the first 2.0rc is >> still difficult for me to do something without to see an example. >> >>.. but i like cocoon and believe in cocoon power (thats the reason i'm >>here) > > > I'm also a beginner, after 1 year here. I agree, Cocoon is a complex > tool, with a very steep learning curve that has given me some difficulty, > partly because of having to build from source. Ok, just to be _very_ clear. The decision to _temporarily_ give source only releases was a painful one but has virtually eliminated an entire class of problems that continually repeated themselves for people trying to get serious with Cocoon. Cocoon is complex internally and highly configurable and the problem of keeping it powerful, configurable, extensible, and modular while still usable, etc. is not trivial. The development community realized that the build system was really needed to enable some of the more complex assembly and configuration pieces until a real solution could be worked on. That real solution ("real blocks") is being worked on in earnest in the 2.2 branch which started recently (careful, it still is unbuildable because of significant refactoring that has to happen up front). The vision and plan to date for "real blocks" is documented pretty well at the wiki. When that is working, binary distributions will resume. That's always been the plan. Now, out of curiosity since we have to live in the here and now for a bit, what did you find hard about building cocoon from source? Geoff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
