Tony I hear what you saying, although I think this expands on *what* the situation is and not *why* the situation is. For example, you say that "most places choose to use Struts because it's what everyone else is using and it seems to be 'standard'." That may be true (I assume this is where the 70% comes from) but *why*? A lot of people were using Netscape at one time as the "standard" browser... but things have changed since then ;-) and may still change again.
I guess my 2c is that I do think Cocoon remains obscure. There seem to be lots of people doing lots of good things with it, but its never promoted [read - not discussed, written about, in forums outside of Cocoon groups, where others could sit up and take notice]. It is a chicken-and-egg situation... but these things can be changed. For myself, I am not a good "evangelist" person, but I think that if Cocoon does acquire such members in the community it will help raise the profile, attract more developers, more momentum etc. etc. But I guess we should be careful what we wish for...... Derek >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2004/11/09 07:18:13 PM >>> Derek Hohls wrote: > I received a promotional email from Javalobby.org > for a certain commercial product... their opening pitch: > > "70% of Java Developers use Struts" > > Now I wonder what % use Cocoon and whether those > who use Struts have chosen it because its the better > web application development environment... or just > because Cocoon is more obscure? Because Struts is "the easy choice," at least according to one blog I read. And now I'm kicking myself because I can't find the @[EMAIL PROTECTED]@ article to reference. Then again, I've never ever used Struts, and I've only glanced at Struts books and some reading material, so I have no experience to work from. But I would like to say (and this is a completely uneducated guess...) that most places choose to use Struts because it's what everyone else is using and it seems to be "standard." An interesting thing to note is that Struts 2.0 is going to be based on JSF, which is not really all that considering that Craig McClanahan is at the helm of both projects. > Not wanting to start any flame war comparisions here... > just curious what my fellow Cocoon developers think? > And I can't help wonder what it will take for Cocoon to > achieve the recognition it deserves?? Frankly, I don't really think about it all that much. I started working with Cocoon because we were going to be using it at one of my old jobs, and now I've left that job and moved on. I guess I would only really pick up Struts if my job required it, mostly because of all the time I've invested in learning Cocoon and all the related technologies. I guess the problem is that not only are there more jobs that list Struts as a requirement, but there's also a larger pool of developers who know Struts, so it all sort of feeds off itself. Unfortunately, I've never used Struts, so if I go to a job where they want Struts experience, and I show up trying to get people using Cocoon instead, I'm at a disadvantage since I haven't actually done anything with Struts. Although since I'm a committer I am a little biased towards Cocoon :) Tony --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
