If one or more knowledgeable CXFers are interested in writing an In Action book, let me know and I can help move the ball forward.
Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: robert [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 11:38 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: CXF in Action > > Whoa... I didn't say that either... as I think the book "should" be > written. > > It starts with a table of contents (or really, a feasibility study)... > if it's determined that the end user can gain value from such a book > (and content layout) and there is some type of market/demand for it... > it should be on the shelf. > > As a point of interest, other SOA domain books such as "ActiveMQ in > Action" and "Camel in Action" are being released. "CXF in Action" and > "ServiceMix in Action" would compliment the series. > > In regards to monetary return, if you bought the best computer on the > market to write the book (not that you'd need it)... you would probably > make less money through royalties on the book than the cost of the > computer. That is, you'd be in the red. > > So, if noone is interested in basically writing the book for free... > they should not even consider it. > > Again though, I would buy it and informally review it prior to release. > > -- Robert > > > > On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:18:10 -0700, Ron Grimes > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Or, if you are a cheap s.o.b., like me, you just go to the publishers > > site where they always have the source code from the book's examples, > > and you can download them for free. That's all I really want anyway. I > > don't want to read 500 pages. Give me a few examples and I'm ready to > > go. If I want the architectural view, I can usually get that online. > > > > I agree with Robert. I have no idea why anyone would invest the time > > to write these books. By the time you're done, several releases or > > maybe a new version, have come out. Takes at least a year to write > > one, and then it has maybe a two year life span before it's obsolete. > > > > Ron Grimes > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: robert [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:51 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: CXF in Action > > > > No, I do not want to write the book, I am several years behind the > > curve with CXF. > > > > As such, I have no business even being a co-author or even a formal > > reviewer. But I would be an informal reviewer without receiving any > > credit. > > > > There is no doubt in my mind that this book should exist, for many > > reasons. > > > > Yes, there is very little (I stress little) money in writing books, and > > it requires a great deal of time. The benefit goes to the consumers of > > the book, not to the authors outside of knowing that they are bringing > > extended value to the CXF community and the CXF product. > > > > If someone manages the project and the chapters are broken up between > > three or four people, you could get the book through first writes in a > > handful of months, not years. > > > > I'm just trying to be helpful here with the suggestion of "CXF in > > Action". > > > > If anyone moves forward with this, I'll be active as an informal > > reviewing in the MEAP program. > > > > -- Robert > > > > > > On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:19:59 -0500, Glen Mazza <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> There are already two or three books available with Apache CXF, > >> several more if you consider the broader category of JAX-WS / SOAP or > >> REST web services. > >> > >> Perhaps a book is less indicated for CXF compared to other projects > >> because it implements specifications that are already defined > >> elsewhere and implemented on multiple projects as well. Also, there > >> are multiple blogs on web services and we have pretty good online > >> documentation, at least compared to other projects that do have such > >> books. > >> > >> While Robert, being an author of multiple books himself, may be > >> itching himself to write another book--go to town, I say!--ultimately > >> I have to take issue with his premise that we "should" write a book. > >> Most books are notorious money-losers, the time put in vs. money > >> derived from it in general is very poor. People write books because > >> they see it as a mountain they want to climb, an additional > >> accomplishment they wish to have under their belt, something that gets > >> them to avoid doing household chores from their spouse--not for the > >> negative financial benefits that such books normally engender. Absent > >> any desire to climb that mountain, it's best not to bother. You can > >> instead take a bunch of money out of your savings account and burn it, > >> as such an action would provide the same financial effect of writing a > >> book while taking far less time. > >> > >> Glen > >> > >> > >> On 12/13/2010 09:35 AM, Craig Tataryn wrote: > >>> I would suggest an eBook only CXF In Action book as the amount of trees it > would take to properly cover CXF might increase CO2 levels drastically at a > global level :) > >>> > >>> An authoritative reference manual would be great, I doubt though that any > of the CXF committers could find the time to put the necessary energy and time > into one, writing books is all consume from what I've heard. > >>> > >>> Craig. > >>> > >>> On 2010-12-13, at 8:25 AM, robert wrote: > >>> > >>>> Here is what is currently being done with "ActiveMQ in Action"... > >>>> http://www.manning.com/snyder/. > >>>> > >>>> I think the same (MEAP effort) could be down for a "CXF in Action". > >>>> > >>>> -- Robert > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:46:41 -0300, Juan Pablo Pizarro > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> Me too! > >>>>> > >>>>> 2010/12/13 Yiannis Mavroukakis<[email protected]> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Definitely. I'd buy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any plans for > it? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- Robert > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>
