Well, not that simple :) Would I like to contribute (gratis, I hasten to add) ? Hell yes. Am I knowledgable enough about CXF? Only to the point of using it in my corporation...
Y. On 13 December 2010 21:12, Gary Gregory <[email protected]>wrote: > Thank you for the feedback. > > I am going to wait a day or so (I am getting ready to move) and see if > anyone raises their hands with some "I want to be a writer!" enthusiasm. > > I do not see this moving forward without some active authors. If not, that > all fine with me. > > Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: robert [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 16:06 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: CXF in Action > > > > Gary, > > > > I would propose putting together a table of contents, posting it to the > > mailing list and see if anyone is willing to tackle any of the chapters > > you have outlined. > > > > If you have enough interest, move the TOC along with a proposal to > > Manning. > > > > If noone is interest, or there isn't enough interest, just scratch the > > project altogether.... > > > > 'nothing ventured, nothing gained. > > > > -- Robert > > > > On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:29:43 +0000, Gary Gregory > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > If one or more knowledgeable CXFers are interested in writing an In > > > Action book, let me know and I can help move the ball forward. > > > > > > Gary > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: robert [mailto:[email protected]] > > >> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 11:38 > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Subject: RE: CXF in Action > > >> > > >> Whoa... I didn't say that either... as I think the book "should" be > > >> written. > > >> > > >> It starts with a table of contents (or really, a feasibility study)... > > >> if it's determined that the end user can gain value from such a book > > >> (and content layout) and there is some type of market/demand for it... > > >> it should be on the shelf. > > >> > > >> As a point of interest, other SOA domain books such as "ActiveMQ in > > >> Action" and "Camel in Action" are being released. "CXF in Action" and > > >> "ServiceMix in Action" would compliment the series. > > >> > > >> In regards to monetary return, if you bought the best computer on the > > >> market to write the book (not that you'd need it)... you would > probably > > >> make less money through royalties on the book than the cost of the > > >> computer. That is, you'd be in the red. > > >> > > >> So, if noone is interested in basically writing the book for free... > > >> they should not even consider it. > > >> > > >> Again though, I would buy it and informally review it prior to > release. > > >> > > >> -- Robert > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:18:10 -0700, Ron Grimes > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > Or, if you are a cheap s.o.b., like me, you just go to the > publishers > > >> > site where they always have the source code from the book's > examples, > > >> > and you can download them for free. That's all I really want anyway. > I > > >> > don't want to read 500 pages. Give me a few examples and I'm ready > to > > >> > go. If I want the architectural view, I can usually get that online. > > >> > > > >> > I agree with Robert. I have no idea why anyone would invest the time > > >> > to write these books. By the time you're done, several releases or > > >> > maybe a new version, have come out. Takes at least a year to write > > >> > one, and then it has maybe a two year life span before it's > obsolete. > > >> > > > >> > Ron Grimes > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: robert [mailto:[email protected]] > > >> > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:51 AM > > >> > To: [email protected] > > >> > Subject: Re: CXF in Action > > >> > > > >> > No, I do not want to write the book, I am several years behind the > > >> > curve with CXF. > > >> > > > >> > As such, I have no business even being a co-author or even a formal > > >> > reviewer. But I would be an informal reviewer without receiving any > > >> > credit. > > >> > > > >> > There is no doubt in my mind that this book should exist, for many > > >> > reasons. > > >> > > > >> > Yes, there is very little (I stress little) money in writing books, > and > > >> > it requires a great deal of time. The benefit goes to the consumers > of > > >> > the book, not to the authors outside of knowing that they are > bringing > > >> > extended value to the CXF community and the CXF product. > > >> > > > >> > If someone manages the project and the chapters are broken up > between > > >> > three or four people, you could get the book through first writes in > a > > >> > handful of months, not years. > > >> > > > >> > I'm just trying to be helpful here with the suggestion of "CXF in > > >> > Action". > > >> > > > >> > If anyone moves forward with this, I'll be active as an informal > > >> > reviewing in the MEAP program. > > >> > > > >> > -- Robert > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:19:59 -0500, Glen Mazza < > [email protected]> > > >> > wrote: > > >> >> There are already two or three books available with Apache CXF, > > >> >> several more if you consider the broader category of JAX-WS / SOAP > or > > >> >> REST web services. > > >> >> > > >> >> Perhaps a book is less indicated for CXF compared to other projects > > >> >> because it implements specifications that are already defined > > >> >> elsewhere and implemented on multiple projects as well. Also, > there > > >> >> are multiple blogs on web services and we have pretty good online > > >> >> documentation, at least compared to other projects that do have > such > > >> >> books. > > >> >> > > >> >> While Robert, being an author of multiple books himself, may be > > >> >> itching himself to write another book--go to town, I > say!--ultimately > > >> >> I have to take issue with his premise that we "should" write a > book. > > >> >> Most books are notorious money-losers, the time put in vs. money > > >> >> derived from it in general is very poor. People write books > because > > >> >> they see it as a mountain they want to climb, an additional > > >> >> accomplishment they wish to have under their belt, something that > gets > > >> >> them to avoid doing household chores from their spouse--not for the > > >> >> negative financial benefits that such books normally engender. > Absent > > >> >> any desire to climb that mountain, it's best not to bother. You > can > > >> >> instead take a bunch of money out of your savings account and burn > it, > > >> >> as such an action would provide the same financial effect of > writing a > > >> >> book while taking far less time. > > >> >> > > >> >> Glen > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> On 12/13/2010 09:35 AM, Craig Tataryn wrote: > > >> >>> I would suggest an eBook only CXF In Action book as the amount of > trees > > it > > >> would take to properly cover CXF might increase CO2 levels drastically > at a > > >> global level :) > > >> >>> > > >> >>> An authoritative reference manual would be great, I doubt though > that > > any > > >> of the CXF committers could find the time to put the necessary energy > and > > time > > >> into one, writing books is all consume from what I've heard. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Craig. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> On 2010-12-13, at 8:25 AM, robert wrote: > > >> >>> > > >> >>>> Here is what is currently being done with "ActiveMQ in Action"... > > >> >>>> http://www.manning.com/snyder/. > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> I think the same (MEAP effort) could be down for a "CXF in > Action". > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> -- Robert > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:46:41 -0300, Juan Pablo Pizarro > > >> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >>>>> Me too! > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> 2010/12/13 Yiannis Mavroukakis< > [email protected]> > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>>> Definitely. I'd buy. > > >> >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> On 12 December 2010 03:28, robert<[email protected]> wrote: > > >> >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> I think you guys should write a "CXF in Action" book... any > plans > > for > > >> it? > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> -- Robert > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> >>>>>>> > > >> >>> > >
