Brad,

I've attached a recent graphic that shows what using eclipse, maven and osgi feels like to drive.

Can anything be done to tighten up the integration between these three tools and their communities? With the library development communities?

I feel your pain, really, but there isn't much that can be done unless people do it.

For us at Felix, we are not a tools project, but even still we have tried to help out in that area with maven-bundle-plugin. Our focus is typically on implementing the spec and/or bundles providing some functionality.

For me personally, I don't use Eclipse...I use NetBeans as a glorified programmer's editor, but I build from the command line. I would happily switch away from Maven if something better came along, so I don't really want to spend time in this area.

The situation is frankly horrendous for anyone climbing the learning curve. Some use ant, some use maven, others can't or won't, yada yada. Some tutorials use one, others use another, and so forth and so on.

Agreed, but we need people who are interested in these areas to work on them. We don't have extra manpower sitting around waiting for assignments.

From my perspective, if you are learning OSGi, your best bet is to start out with as simple as a set up as you can, which for me would be the command line and either Ant or Maven and just learn about OSGi first, without having to try to figure out all of the IDE integration, which as you know, is less than stellar.


JDOM appears prominently because it seems to be the root of my problems. Three unpackaged classes throws everything off. But near as I can tell, they don't even know about the problem since they don't use maven or osgi.

Yeah, it is difficult, but it is an issue you should take up with them or see if someone here has solved that issue or look for different technology. I know that may not be so satisfying, but sometimes moving to a new technology does provide some bumps along the way.

Sorry that I cannot give any direct remedy to your issues.

-> richard

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