Hi :)
I vaguely remember Norton updated their virus-definitions on Thursdays so i 
would schedule a look-for-updates for Fridays.  Of course MS do their updates 
on Tuesdays (="Patch Tuesday") so Norton/Symantec might have changed in the 
last decade or so.  

Of course if either find a particularly nasty problem then they do sometimes 
push patches or whatever out on a different day but it's fairly rare.  Of 
course an ISP might delay updates for a day or 2 so your machine might 
regularly get them a day or few later but i think by being regular MS and 
others have given ISPs a chance of knowing when they might get spikes so that 
those can be planned for easily.  

I still don't get why Windows doesn't have a package-manager that just updates 
everything all in one go instead of each different program being forced to 
set-up it's own separate method of keeping things up to date.  Also i never 
had/have confidence in any machine having fully updated drivers and codecs and 
everything.  Windows appears to be carefully built to be insecure.

Regards from
Tom :)  


--- On Thu, 30/8/12, Dan <elderdanle...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Dan <elderdanle...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Rel. 3.6.1 and Norton AntiVirus
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 30 August, 2012, 3:14

webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
> On 08/29/2012 08:21 PM, Dan wrote:
>> Jeff Hahn wrote:
>>> When I try to upgrade from 3.6.0 to 3.6.1 the Norton AntiVirus program
>>> keeps deleting the upgrade as an unsafe virus. This is the first release
>>> that I have had this type of problem with. Jeff
>>> 
>> 
>>      To make sure I understand: Norton deletes the LO 3.6.1 download file?
>>      Otherwise, you should not have Norton running when you install the
>> upgrade; you should not be physically connected to the Internet either.
>> Disconnect from Internet, turn off anti-virus program, install LO update,
>> turn on anti-virus program. ONLY WHEN AV IS RUNNING should you reconnect
>> to the Internet.
>> 
>> --Dan
>> 
> 
> This is not the first time I have heard of Norton stating valid install
> files were viruses or other nasties.
> 
> I never had any good luck with Norton's AV, so I use the free version of
> Comodo product[s] for my Windows machines.  I have hooked even PC repair
> and selling pro's to using it.
> 
> As for not having AV running when not online, well that is not what I would
> tell people.  An anti-virus is needed if you are offline and suddenly there
> is a trojan or other nasty kicking in and doing a number.  They can be
> picked up and not cleaned in a few ways other than being online.  I have my
> Ubuntu system picking up new things from files that I have had on my system
> for months and suddenly it detects something the AV system does not like.
> If I did not have the AV system on 24/7, then those issues might not have
> been picked up.  The real thing is that the AV systems update their data
> systems, mostly, after a new "nasty" has been detected.  If your system has
> that "nasty" on it before that nasty has been added to your AV data system,
> then you will need to have the other parts of the AV and security system[s]
> on to detect the traces of it trying to work.  SO do not turn your computer
> security off.
> 
> I have had to deal with too many systems from friends and clients where
> they did not have their security on 24/7 and kept up-to-date.  Had one
> system that the AV was on but not updated in over 2 years and the guy lost
> a lot.

     Perhaps I was not as clear as I should have been. I listed 5 steps that 
have been posted on lists like these when installing OOo. Programs like Norton 
will give false positives that prevent installation of a program. So, the AV 
program needs to be off when the installation is being done. However, the AV 
program should NOT be turned off until AFTER the computer is physically 
disconnected from the Internet. The installation should be done immediately 
after turning off the AV. The AV should be turned on again right after 
finishing the installation. At this point, verification that the AV is actually 
working is the next step. If it is not, steps have to be taken to get the AV 
working properly before doing anything else. Once this is done, reconnect to 
the Internet. My point was that the computer should not be connected to the 
Internet until AFTER the person knows that the AV is already working.
     Yes, anyone using an AV should weekly update it, sooner if there is a 
notice of an update because of a patch that is needed.

--Dan


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