Correction: it's [email protected]
not websies@ (the t was missing) On 23/05/2013, Tom <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi :) > Has the issue been resolved well enough? IE8 was discovered to have a large > number of extremely serious vulnerabilities around the time of the original > posting to the extent that MS released patches outside of their usual "Patch > Tuesday" schedule. > > Opera is better, faster and safer. Firefox seems to be the most popular > web-browser at the moment. It's also faster, safer and better. Gaming > sites report something like 80% of on-line gamers at their site use Firefox. > Chrome is shed loads faster so i would have expected Gamers to use that > more. Generally i would recommend having 2 web-browsers so that if the main > one you use goes wonky then you can use the other but i have only ever had > problems with IE. All the rest run for years without bumping into problems. > > > > However, it might be worth contacting the Websites Team, i think > [email protected] > to let them know about "Internet Explorer" issue. > > Of course MS are unhappy about the existence of LibreOffice, OpenOffice and > the rest so my guess is that they will start to put resources into scaring > people away from their competition. Presumably using tactics similar to the > ones that landed them in court over issues such as "The browser wars" > (really talking about web-browsers there, not file-browsers or any other > sorts of browsers) or the Rtf court case. In both cases they were found > guilty and got a slap on the wrist which they shrug off and work-around. > > We should put some resources into fixing simple things, such as the > certificate, if we can but we can't jump at every little piece of FUD they > try to throw in our path. They have a large fan-base that seem quite happy > to spread all sorts of nonsense without MS being responsible. > > > > Bob Power wrote >> Works ok in Opera ( but then I have no idea what the settings are there >> )... > > Probably a good plan to stick with Opera. During it's court case against MS > a lot of their resources went into the court-case. Now that is over their > resources are going to be diverted back into developing their web-browser. > My guess is that they might develop fast enough to over-take Firefox in the > next few years. It's a good solid web-browser and has the advantage that > not so many people use it. Yet. > > > > > Bob Power wrote >> With IE 8 ; >> >> StartCom is in my trusted root certification authorities list. > > IE 8 was compromised quite severely at around the time of the posting. MS > tried to downplay it and suggested that the average home user or small > office was probably safer than the nuclear research facilities that got > affected because home users can switch on he MS Firewall. They implied that > nuclear facilities probably can't afford a £20 router/firewall or wouldn't > have thought of security. > > > > Bob Power wrote >> I then checked via http://www.digicert.com/help/ ssl certificate checker >> and it shows common name LibreOffice.org all ok etc. >> >> So I suppose it could be IE 8 not knowing what to do with this particular >> type of cert - I'm going to switch to FireFox soon > > So the main organisations behind issuing certificates agree that the > LibreOffice ones are legit? It's only MS that are claiming they aren't? > > Switching away from IE is a great idea. you will probably find you have > less security problems and less slow-downs as a result. opera and Firefox > are about equal. Firefox is more popular and more widely used at the moment > but that is not necessarily a good reason to prefer it to Opera. The main > thing is to get away from IE as much as possible. I only use it for updates > from microsoft.com, all of which are for "security" problems with MS > products. > > > Bob Power wrote >> Suggestions ; >> 1. >> For some users with old stuff like me - XP / IE 8 etc - who are the most >> likely to be looking for alternatives to MS Office - this will be >> off-putting ( it will scare some people ) - and LibreOffice will lose some >> potential converts. > > People that stick with IE8 are going to find the internet an increasingly > dangerous place. MS wants people to buy their new OSes and scaring them > into it is a standard salesman tactic. There is even a name for the tactic. > > > LibreOffice/OpenOffice always loses potential new users due to FUD but that > doesn't affect TDF's or Apache's profit/loss or income/expenditure. It's > only the users that lose out and they might have good reasons to try LO/OO > again in a couple of years. There is no need for a hard sell or to force > people into 'buying into' something they have been made afraid of. Let them > find the problems with MS Office, such as huge costs and poor security, and > eventually they will retry alternatives. > > > > Bob Power wrote >> 2. >> Some install notes on the help pack - I installed it but it doesn't show >> up unless you change a setting in language settings - I found this with a >> web search but it would be better if it was in release notes or something >> near the download. > > The built-in help packs are not as good as the guides > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications > > Unfortunately, due to various misunderstandings and timing issues, the > translators teams work at their own version of the English help-packs and > then translate that, rather than just translating the Guides. The > Documentation Team always needs new people because people quickly become > quite knowledgeable in there and soon lose their "noob perspective". > Probably best to start as proof-reader or reviewer. > > > > Bob Power wrote >> One last thing - I'm curious as to why help is over https and not just >> http ? ( https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Welcome_to_the_Writer_Help ) > > https is more secure than http. It's still flawed but a lot less so than > http. The extra "s" stands for secure or security. Are 'older' MS products > making it difficult to access https and forcing people into using the less > secure protocol? Hmmm, interesting. > > All the above are my own personal viewpoints and nothing to do with TDF (who > keep threatening to remove me from these lists). > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/problem-with-this-website-s-security-certificate-tp4056639p4057453.html > Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
