Hi :)
Thanks!  It looks like i often miss the T in other things to.  I'm beginning to 
remember why i foisted this keyboard onto a rarely used machine.  I might have 
to go and buy a new keyboard to avoid RSI.  
Thanks and regards from 
om :)  





>________________________________
> From: Kieran Peckett <[email protected]>
>To: Tom <[email protected]> 
>Cc: [email protected] 
>Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013, 8:56
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: problem with this website's security 
>certificate
> 
>
>Correction: it's
>
>[email protected]
>
>not
>
>websies@ (the t was missing)
>
>On 23/05/2013, Tom <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> Has the issue been resolved well enough?  IE8 was discovered to have a large
>> number of extremely serious vulnerabilities around the time of the original
>> posting to the extent that MS released patches outside of their usual "Patch
>> Tuesday" schedule.
>>
>> Opera is better, faster and safer.  Firefox seems to be the most popular
>> web-browser at the moment.  It's also faster, safer and better.  Gaming
>> sites report something like 80% of on-line gamers at their site use Firefox.
>> Chrome is shed loads faster so i would have expected Gamers to use that
>> more.  Generally i would recommend having 2 web-browsers so that if the main
>> one you use goes wonky then you can use the other but i have only ever had
>> problems with IE.  All the rest run for years without bumping into problems.
>>
>>
>>
>> However, it might be worth contacting the Websites Team, i think
>> [email protected]
>> to let them know about "Internet Explorer" issue.
>>
>> Of course MS are unhappy about the existence of LibreOffice, OpenOffice and
>> the rest so my guess is that they will start to put resources into scaring
>> people away from their competition.  Presumably using tactics similar to the
>> ones that landed them in court over issues such as "The browser wars"
>> (really talking about web-browsers there, not file-browsers or any other
>> sorts of  browsers) or the Rtf court case.  In both cases they were found
>> guilty and got a slap on the wrist which they shrug off and work-around.
>>
>> We should put some resources into fixing simple things, such as the
>> certificate, if we can but we can't jump at every little piece of FUD they
>> try to throw in our path.  They have a large fan-base that seem quite happy
>> to spread all sorts of nonsense without MS being responsible.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Power wrote
>>> Works ok in Opera ( but then I have no idea what the settings are there
>>> )...
>>
>> Probably a good plan to stick with Opera.  During it's court case against MS
>> a lot of their resources went into the court-case.  Now that is over their
>> resources are going to be diverted back into developing their web-browser.
>> My guess is that they might develop fast enough to over-take Firefox in the
>> next few years.  It's a good solid web-browser and has the advantage that
>> not so many people use it.  Yet.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Power wrote
>>> With IE 8 ;
>>>
>>> StartCom is in my trusted root certification authorities list.
>>
>> IE 8 was compromised quite severely at around the time of the posting.  MS
>> tried to downplay it and suggested that the average home user or small
>> office was probably safer than the nuclear research facilities that got
>> affected because home users can switch on he MS Firewall.  They implied that
>> nuclear facilities probably can't afford a £20 router/firewall or wouldn't
>> have thought of security.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Power wrote
>>> I then checked via http://www.digicert.com/help/ ssl certificate checker
>>> and it shows common name LibreOffice.org all ok etc.
>>>
>>> So I suppose it could be IE 8 not knowing what to do with this particular
>>> type of cert - I'm going to switch to FireFox soon
>>
>> So the main organisations behind issuing certificates agree that the
>> LibreOffice ones are legit?  It's only MS that are claiming they aren't?
>>
>> Switching away from IE is a great idea.  you will probably find you have
>> less security problems and less slow-downs as a result.  opera and Firefox
>> are about equal.  Firefox is more popular and more widely used at the moment
>> but that is not necessarily a good reason to prefer it to Opera.  The main
>> thing is to get away from IE as much as possible.  I only use it for updates
>> from microsoft.com, all of which are for "security" problems with MS
>> products.
>>
>>
>> Bob Power wrote
>>> Suggestions ;
>>> 1.
>>> For some users with old stuff like me - XP / IE 8 etc - who are the most
>>> likely to be looking for alternatives to MS Office - this will be
>>> off-putting ( it will scare some people ) - and LibreOffice will lose some
>>> potential converts.
>>
>> People that stick with IE8 are going to find the internet an increasingly
>> dangerous place.  MS wants people to buy their new OSes and scaring them
>> into it is a standard salesman tactic.  There is even a name for the tactic.
>>
>>
>> LibreOffice/OpenOffice always loses potential new users due to FUD but that
>> doesn't affect TDF's or Apache's profit/loss or income/expenditure.  It's
>> only the users that lose out and they might have good reasons to try LO/OO
>> again in a couple of years.  There is no need for a hard sell or to force
>> people into 'buying into' something they have been made afraid of.  Let them
>> find the problems with MS Office, such as huge costs and poor security, and
>> eventually they will retry alternatives.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Power wrote
>>> 2.
>>> Some install notes on the help pack - I installed it but it doesn't show
>>> up unless you change a setting in language settings - I found this with a
>>> web search but it would be better if it was in release notes or something
>>> near the download.
>>
>> The built-in help packs are not as good as the guides
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications
>>
>> Unfortunately, due to various misunderstandings and timing issues, the
>> translators teams work at their own version of the English help-packs and
>> then translate that, rather than just translating the Guides.  The
>> Documentation Team always needs new people because people quickly become
>> quite knowledgeable in there and soon lose their "noob perspective".
>> Probably best to start as proof-reader or reviewer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Power wrote
>>> One last thing - I'm curious as to why help is over https and not just
>>> http ? (  https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Welcome_to_the_Writer_Help )
>>
>> https is more secure than http.  It's still flawed but a lot less so than
>> http.  The extra "s" stands for secure or security.  Are 'older' MS products
>> making it difficult to access https and forcing people into using the less
>> secure protocol?  Hmmm, interesting.
>>
>> All the above are my own personal viewpoints and nothing to do with TDF (who
>> keep threatening to remove me from these lists).
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
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