Hi :) Errr, i didn't mean to "drop anyone in it" or snitch or anything. We see people from other supporter organisations too, such as people with Redhat addresses or SuSE ones. I'm fairly sure i've even seen posts from people with a Canonical address. The point was that it feels more like they really are supporters if they are directly involved in the day-to-day.
If there is no neutral 3rd party organisation actively promoting ODF then it falls to each individual or each individual company to do a bit and i think that is kinda working. Perhaps not quite as well as some would like but it's still improving on the position 3-4 years ago. People seem less shocked when they get a format they are unfamiliar with. Regards from Tom :) On 2 December 2013 09:32, Charles-H. Schulz <[email protected]> wrote: > Le Mon, 2 Dec 2013 09:21:08 +0000, > Tom Davies <[email protected]> a écrit : > >> Hi :) >> It feels like a lot of the sponsors and supporters of TDF (or anything >> else for that matter) do a lot of work at such a high level or so far >> outside of the immediate organisation that very few people inside the >> organisation really realise they are involved at all. > > Well... I think the awareness is there. We talk to the FSF, we are at > the OASIS, we are part of OSI, etc. > >> >> On these LibreOffice mailing lists we see people with FSF email >> addresses actively helping along the same lines as everyone else here. > > Who? - seriously, I'd be interested to know if the FSF is here > helping users or otherwise contributing: it's rather far-fetched from > their work. > >> >> >> On a side-issue, it often makes sense for the people who make a thing >> to be the promoters of it. Since ODF Alliance seems pretty much dead >> now then maybe OASIS could take on that functionality? OASIS are >> already an established neutral 3rd party and even though MS are a >> member they are only 1 member amongst 5,000. On the other hand i am >> really beginning to like the idea of just carrying on doing a bit of >> ODF promotion from within the various companies that use it. > > > Yes indeed. The OASIS only produces/develops ODF. There was an ODF > adoption TC that attempted to coordinate promotion activities on ODF > but it folded one year ago or less, and that's not coming back I'm > afraid. > > Best, > > Charles. > >> >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Charles-H. Schulz <[email protected]> >> Date: 2 December 2013 09:04 >> Subject: Re: Formats & failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS Office >> relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to new >> version of MS Office >> To: [email protected] >> >> >> Le Sun, 1 Dec 2013 19:09:57 +0000, >> Tom Davies <[email protected]> a écrit : >> >> > Hi :) >> > I think the largest company in the eco-system is beginning to be >> > TDF! IBM is larger but it doesn't seem to want to be a big name in >> > office desktops. >> > >> > Does the ODF Alliance still exist? Their website seems to be dead >> > or perhaps just very out-of-date. Perhaps people from TDF could get >> > involved in updating it? >> >> We don't control anything on the ODF Alliance website, which was never >> an actual entity and today it's been left inactive for several years >> already. >> >> >Perhaps Apache might be interested in giving >> > it a boost too? Perhaps it's just that it's main reasons for >> > existence are over now? >> >> That is what some would call an insightful remark :-) >> >> >> > OASIS is a LOT more lively. Last i heard >> > there were some (or at least 1) people from TDF involved in that. >> >> oh there are more, but keep in mind the OASIS is where ODF is "made", >> not from where it gets promoted. The OASIS is a standards consortium, >> not an advocacy group. >> >> >> > Also there seems to be TDF people involved in FSF (or is it FSF >> > people involved in TDF?). Anyway, either way is good. >> >> I think it's the opposite, FSF is a sponsor of TDF. >> >> >> Best, >> >> Charles. >> >> > >> > Regards from >> > Tom :) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 1 December 2013 16:40, Italo Vignoli <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > > On 01/12/13 14:14, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: >> > > >> > >> Today, things are very different: >> > >> - the ODF ecosystem is not so unified (and to explain why >> > >> probably needs a whitepaper) >> > > >> > > Unfortunately, the largest company in the ecosystem is now focused >> > > on other objectives, and has been instrumental in splitting the >> > > ecosystem (and keeping it divided, in a way which makes it >> > > probably impossible to reunite). >> > > >> > >> - Microsoft implements ODF... in a serious and very efficient >> > >> way. >> > > >> > > We should be more effective in leveraging MS ODF support, though. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Italo Vignoli - [email protected] >> > > mob +39.348.5653829 - sip/jabber [email protected] >> > > skype italovignoli - hangout/jabber [email protected] >> > > >> > > -- >> > > To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] >> > > Problems? >> > > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> > > Posting guidelines + more: >> > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: >> > > http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages >> > > sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Charles-H. 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