Heh... good catch Steve :-) Best,
Charles. Le Tue, 03 Dec 2013 10:08:29 +1300, Steve Edmonds <[email protected]> a écrit : > Hi. > A search of the list for sender fsf.org will give you a hit. > Steve > > On 2013-12-03 02:18, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > Tom, > > > > I'm not asking you to snitch, all this is public record. I just > > believe that no one from the FSF is contributing to LibreOffice > > under this specific affiliation, but I may be wrong. > > > > As for Red Hat, Canonical et al: they're officially involved in the > > development of LibreOffice and are sponsors as well. > > > > Best, > > > > Charles. > > > > Le Mon, 2 Dec 2013 10:08:41 +0000, > > Tom Davies <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > >> Hi :) > >> Errr, i didn't mean to "drop anyone in it" or snitch or anything. > >> We see people from other supporter organisations too, such as > >> people with Redhat addresses or SuSE ones. I'm fairly sure i've > >> even seen posts from people with a Canonical address. The point > >> was that it feels more like they really are supporters if they are > >> directly involved in the day-to-day. > >> > >> If there is no neutral 3rd party organisation actively promoting > >> ODF then it falls to each individual or each individual company to > >> do a bit and i think that is kinda working. Perhaps not quite as > >> well as some would like but it's still improving on the position > >> 3-4 years ago. People seem less shocked when they get a format > >> they are unfamiliar with. > >> Regards from > >> Tom :) > >> > >> > >> > >> On 2 December 2013 09:32, Charles-H. Schulz > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Le Mon, 2 Dec 2013 09:21:08 +0000, > >>> Tom Davies <[email protected]> a écrit : > >>> > >>>> Hi :) > >>>> It feels like a lot of the sponsors and supporters of TDF (or > >>>> anything else for that matter) do a lot of work at such a high > >>>> level or so far outside of the immediate organisation that very > >>>> few people inside the organisation really realise they are > >>>> involved at all. > >>> Well... I think the awareness is there. We talk to the FSF, we are > >>> at the OASIS, we are part of OSI, etc. > >>> > >>>> On these LibreOffice mailing lists we see people with FSF email > >>>> addresses actively helping along the same lines as everyone else > >>>> here. > >>> Who? - seriously, I'd be interested to know if the FSF is here > >>> helping users or otherwise contributing: it's rather far-fetched > >>> from their work. > >>> > >>>> > >>>> On a side-issue, it often makes sense for the people who make a > >>>> thing to be the promoters of it. Since ODF Alliance seems pretty > >>>> much dead now then maybe OASIS could take on that functionality? > >>>> OASIS are already an established neutral 3rd party and even > >>>> though MS are a member they are only 1 member amongst 5,000. On > >>>> the other hand i am really beginning to like the idea of just > >>>> carrying on doing a bit of ODF promotion from within the various > >>>> companies that use it. > >>> > >>> Yes indeed. The OASIS only produces/develops ODF. There was an ODF > >>> adoption TC that attempted to coordinate promotion activities on > >>> ODF but it folded one year ago or less, and that's not coming > >>> back I'm afraid. > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> > >>> Charles. > >>> > >>>> Regards from > >>>> Tom :) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >>>> From: Charles-H. Schulz <[email protected]> > >>>> Date: 2 December 2013 09:04 > >>>> Subject: Re: Formats & failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS > >>>> Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving > >>>> to new version of MS Office > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Le Sun, 1 Dec 2013 19:09:57 +0000, > >>>> Tom Davies <[email protected]> a écrit : > >>>> > >>>>> Hi :) > >>>>> I think the largest company in the eco-system is beginning to be > >>>>> TDF! IBM is larger but it doesn't seem to want to be a big name > >>>>> in office desktops. > >>>>> > >>>>> Does the ODF Alliance still exist? Their website seems to be > >>>>> dead or perhaps just very out-of-date. Perhaps people from TDF > >>>>> could get involved in updating it? > >>>> We don't control anything on the ODF Alliance website, which was > >>>> never an actual entity and today it's been left inactive for > >>>> several years already. > >>>> > >>>>> Perhaps Apache might be interested in giving > >>>>> it a boost too? Perhaps it's just that it's main reasons for > >>>>> existence are over now? > >>>> That is what some would call an insightful remark :-) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> OASIS is a LOT more lively. Last i heard > >>>>> there were some (or at least 1) people from TDF involved in > >>>>> that. > >>>> oh there are more, but keep in mind the OASIS is where ODF is > >>>> "made", not from where it gets promoted. The OASIS is a standards > >>>> consortium, not an advocacy group. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Also there seems to be TDF people involved in FSF (or is it FSF > >>>>> people involved in TDF?). Anyway, either way is good. > >>>> I think it's the opposite, FSF is a sponsor of TDF. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Best, > >>>> > >>>> Charles. > >>>> > >>>>> Regards from > >>>>> Tom :) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 1 December 2013 16:40, Italo Vignoli > >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> On 01/12/13 14:14, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Today, things are very different: > >>>>>>> - the ODF ecosystem is not so unified (and to explain why > >>>>>>> probably needs a whitepaper) > >>>>>> Unfortunately, the largest company in the ecosystem is now > >>>>>> focused on other objectives, and has been instrumental in > >>>>>> splitting the ecosystem (and keeping it divided, in a way > >>>>>> which makes it probably impossible to reunite). > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> - Microsoft implements ODF... in a serious and very efficient > >>>>>>> way. > >>>>>> We should be more effective in leveraging MS ODF support, > >>>>>> though. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Italo Vignoli - [email protected] > >>>>>> mob +39.348.5653829 - sip/jabber [email protected] > >>>>>> skype italovignoli - hangout/jabber [email protected] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe e-mail to: > >>>>>> [email protected] Problems? > >>>>>> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > >>>>>> Posting guidelines + more: > >>>>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: > >>>>>> http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages > >>>>>> sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > >>>>>> deleted > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Charles-H. 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