Tom, I'm not asking you to snitch, all this is public record. I just believe that no one from the FSF is contributing to LibreOffice under this specific affiliation, but I may be wrong.
As for Red Hat, Canonical et al: they're officially involved in the development of LibreOffice and are sponsors as well. Best, Charles. Le Mon, 2 Dec 2013 10:08:41 +0000, Tom Davies <[email protected]> a écrit : > Hi :) > Errr, i didn't mean to "drop anyone in it" or snitch or anything. We > see people from other supporter organisations too, such as people with > Redhat addresses or SuSE ones. I'm fairly sure i've even seen posts > from people with a Canonical address. The point was that it feels > more like they really are supporters if they are directly involved in > the day-to-day. > > If there is no neutral 3rd party organisation actively promoting ODF > then it falls to each individual or each individual company to do a > bit and i think that is kinda working. Perhaps not quite as well as > some would like but it's still improving on the position 3-4 years > ago. People seem less shocked when they get a format they are > unfamiliar with. > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > On 2 December 2013 09:32, Charles-H. Schulz > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Le Mon, 2 Dec 2013 09:21:08 +0000, > > Tom Davies <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > >> Hi :) > >> It feels like a lot of the sponsors and supporters of TDF (or > >> anything else for that matter) do a lot of work at such a high > >> level or so far outside of the immediate organisation that very > >> few people inside the organisation really realise they are > >> involved at all. > > > > Well... I think the awareness is there. We talk to the FSF, we are > > at the OASIS, we are part of OSI, etc. > > > >> > >> On these LibreOffice mailing lists we see people with FSF email > >> addresses actively helping along the same lines as everyone else > >> here. > > > > Who? - seriously, I'd be interested to know if the FSF is here > > helping users or otherwise contributing: it's rather far-fetched > > from their work. > > > >> > >> > >> On a side-issue, it often makes sense for the people who make a > >> thing to be the promoters of it. Since ODF Alliance seems pretty > >> much dead now then maybe OASIS could take on that functionality? > >> OASIS are already an established neutral 3rd party and even though > >> MS are a member they are only 1 member amongst 5,000. On the > >> other hand i am really beginning to like the idea of just carrying > >> on doing a bit of ODF promotion from within the various companies > >> that use it. > > > > > > Yes indeed. The OASIS only produces/develops ODF. There was an ODF > > adoption TC that attempted to coordinate promotion activities on ODF > > but it folded one year ago or less, and that's not coming back I'm > > afraid. > > > > Best, > > > > Charles. > > > >> > >> Regards from > >> Tom :) > >> > >> > >> > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >> From: Charles-H. Schulz <[email protected]> > >> Date: 2 December 2013 09:04 > >> Subject: Re: Formats & failed marketing, was: Fwd: Cost of MS > >> Office relative to LO, was: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Re: moving to > >> new version of MS Office > >> To: [email protected] > >> > >> > >> Le Sun, 1 Dec 2013 19:09:57 +0000, > >> Tom Davies <[email protected]> a écrit : > >> > >> > Hi :) > >> > I think the largest company in the eco-system is beginning to be > >> > TDF! IBM is larger but it doesn't seem to want to be a big name > >> > in office desktops. > >> > > >> > Does the ODF Alliance still exist? Their website seems to be > >> > dead or perhaps just very out-of-date. Perhaps people from TDF > >> > could get involved in updating it? > >> > >> We don't control anything on the ODF Alliance website, which was > >> never an actual entity and today it's been left inactive for > >> several years already. > >> > >> >Perhaps Apache might be interested in giving > >> > it a boost too? Perhaps it's just that it's main reasons for > >> > existence are over now? > >> > >> That is what some would call an insightful remark :-) > >> > >> > >> > OASIS is a LOT more lively. Last i heard > >> > there were some (or at least 1) people from TDF involved in that. > >> > >> oh there are more, but keep in mind the OASIS is where ODF is > >> "made", not from where it gets promoted. The OASIS is a standards > >> consortium, not an advocacy group. > >> > >> > >> > Also there seems to be TDF people involved in FSF (or is it FSF > >> > people involved in TDF?). Anyway, either way is good. > >> > >> I think it's the opposite, FSF is a sponsor of TDF. > >> > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Charles. > >> > >> > > >> > Regards from > >> > Tom :) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On 1 December 2013 16:40, Italo Vignoli <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> > > On 01/12/13 14:14, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> Today, things are very different: > >> > >> - the ODF ecosystem is not so unified (and to explain why > >> > >> probably needs a whitepaper) > >> > > > >> > > Unfortunately, the largest company in the ecosystem is now > >> > > focused on other objectives, and has been instrumental in > >> > > splitting the ecosystem (and keeping it divided, in a way > >> > > which makes it probably impossible to reunite). > >> > > > >> > >> - Microsoft implements ODF... in a serious and very efficient > >> > >> way. > >> > > > >> > > We should be more effective in leveraging MS ODF support, > >> > > though. > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Italo Vignoli - [email protected] > >> > > mob +39.348.5653829 - sip/jabber [email protected] > >> > > skype italovignoli - hangout/jabber [email protected] > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > To unsubscribe e-mail to: > >> > > [email protected] Problems? > >> > > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > >> > > Posting guidelines + more: > >> > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: > >> > > http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages > >> > > sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > >> > > deleted > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Charles-H. 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