I see these arguments in my emails, and peruse some, but generally once I
have the gist of things, I press delete! But it does not put me off, trying
to sell the idea of free, to my customers, and say there is lots of support
out there etc.
When I say sell the idea, I mean compare the the well known version, and
libre... Usually quoting "Spanish for freeeeeeeeeee" yes big emphasis on
freeeeeeeeee
I see the same on the other forums as we'll, ie gimp, Inkscape etc, and it
disheartens me that someone has to upset the applecart.
Recently I made an error, in not reading what was on my screen with libre,
but the support I got was great, and positive feedback for all involved
But I guess the with a price for freeeeee means that someone will try and
take advantage
Phil
On Sunday, May 11, 2014, Paul <paulste...@afrihost.co.za> wrote:
> > Yes, in the IT world it is
> > quite common for technically talented people to exhibit impaired
> > social skills.
> Not really, in my experience. It's common for IT people to *claim* to
> have Asperger Syndrome or some such, but it's not nearly as common as
> people think. My experience may be limited, but that still leaves us
> with..
>
> > > whether Urmas is a dev and just socially
> > > clumsy as so many are.
> Most clearly not. His answers often are not just pro Microsoft or
> commercial software, but often derogatory of Open Source, and often
> outright wrong, not just in terms of beliefs that are known to be
> incorrect, but in terms of quoting actual facts that are wrong.
> Sometimes even quoted with references, showing that he went to some
> trouble to construct his false arguments. Maybe not often, but I'm sure
> I've seen it in the past. Which shows clearly that he is not just
> socially inept, but actually trying to troll. Equally, some of the off
> list messages that have recently been shown on this list are not just
> lacking in social graces, they are quite clearly rude and obscene. So I
> suggest...
>
> >The only way to stop it entirely is to
> > encourage them to go away.
> That this would be a good idea. Despite the question of...
>
> > Then what are you left with? Who will
> > answer your questions and solve your problems?
> Other people. I've only seen Urmas be usefull I think twice, and in
> those cases I really don't know how useful his information actually
> was. Potentially very, I suppose, but I don't feel the need to keep him
> around just for that. But that's only my opinion, of course. Spreading
> FUD is one thing, but being abusive and using obscene language I don't
> really want to have to put up with. But that said, we're stuck with...
>
> > the reality that, in a venue such as this, you're going to
> > encounter such people.
> Unfortunate but true. I once asked if we could ban Urmas, and was told
> no, he'd just come back in a new guise. I'm still not sure how I feel
> about this, but unfortunately it is quite likely true that even if we
> did ban him, he would just sign up again under a new name. He seems
> intent on trolling this list. And at least at the moment we all mostly
> know who he is and know to just ignore his stuff.
>
> As this is the internet, and therefor devoid (rightly so) of physical
> involvement, there really is nothing we can do to *make* him stop,
> not so long as the list is public. Best we could do would be to
> moderate everything, and just not let his stuff past moderation, but
> that takes effort on someone's part. I'm not willing to go to all that
> trouble myself, so I'd rather just ignore him.
>
> I'm not sure what Tom Cloyd is thinking of here, but he seems to have an
> idea about how to proceed. Personally, I don't think it will work, but
> I'd still be willing to hear it. And if one doesn't think one should be
> trying to intimidate Urmas into leaving, what on earth makes one think
> one should be intimidating Tom Cloyd into leaving? Name calling and
> nastiness doesn't belong on this list, in my opinion. If people get
> tedious, speak your mind, tell them politely what your opinion is,
> preferably make a constructive suggestion, then leave it be. If you
> can't change their mind, ignore them. This is a public list, you are
> free to ignore whatever part of it you want.
>
> Just my thoughts on a matter that has the potential to spiral out of
> control. Feel free to disagree, but politely, please. Or to ignore it,
> if you so wish.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Sun, 11 May 2014 11:57:57 -0400
> Jim Seymour <jseym...@linxnet.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 11 May 2014 11:52:18 +0100
> > Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> > >
> > > On a side-issue ...
> > > The ones where Urmas does help are often highly technical. That
> > > raises the question of whether Urmas is a dev and just socially
> > > clumsy as so many are. Apparently Microsoft have recognised that
> > > many engineers and devs have "high functioning" aspergers syndrome
> > > or, even further along the spectrum, autism ...
> > [snip]
> >
> > Asperger Syndrome (it's properly capitalized) is often referred-to
> > as "functional autism." In any event: Yes, in the IT world it is
> > quite common for technically talented people to exhibit impaired
> > social skills. It's usually not intentional. Such people are simply
> > wired in such a manner that social skills that are second nature to
> > "normal" people are, quite simply, incomprehensible to them. Good
> > examples of these are the TV show characters Dr. Gregory House, Dr.
> > Sheldon Cooper and Dr. Martin Ellingham ("Doc Martin"). These
> > characters are all portrayed as being brilliant in their fields, but
> > socially inept to the point of being widely regarded as rude and
> > unfeeling. (These characters portray behavioural extremes, but they
> > are, after all, actors, and it is, after all, entertainment.)
> >
> > Such people can learn, to a degree, to work within commonly accepted
> > social norms, but they will never, ever understand the *need* to do
> > so, other than that failing to do so may have (potentially) adverse
> > consequences.
> >
> > This is not to excuse behaviour clearly out-of-bounds, but more to
> > explain the reality that, in a venue such as this, you're going to
> > encounter such people. The only way to stop it entirely is to
> > encourage them to go away. Then what are you left with? Who will
> > answer your questions and solve your problems? The likes of
> > telephone sanitizers, hairstylists, advertising executives and
> > lawyers? ;)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jim
>
>
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