second that motion ;-} On 8 January 2016 at 21:38, Gerald Wiltse <jerrywil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sure, to that I would add that I am probably a textbook definition of a > "devops" person. I'm someone with extensive IT background, who has dabbled > in scripting and debugging apps for years to automate and solve operational > problems. Now I"m going deep into Groovy, for operational use cases. I > think it rare that a true novice would wake up one day and start coding in > Groovy. I would have never touched Groovy if it was not embedded in > Logicmonitor, an IT operations platform. > > One thing I love / commend the groovy doc authors on is the examples where > they exist. This is something that almost never exists in Javadocs (if > ever). They have been tremendous help. Usually I only get stuck when > there are no examples in the groovydoc. I think just adding even one > example to docs that have none, would be the best use of any free time > someone has for doing documentation. > > Gerald R. Wiltse > jerrywil...@gmail.com > > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jim Northrop < > james.b.north...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Rather sounds like our docs could use a second viewpoint for those many >> peoplewho know nothing about I.T. at all, or just dipping their toe in the >> proverbial waters of hacking rather than the pros who already do this 4 a >> living. Something like a walk-thru of why would we do this? How do you waLk >> a file tree? When would a URL be needed? Whats a 'Rest' service? How do >> other languagessolve this issue and why should i usegroovy ? >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 8 Jan 2016, at 20:25, Gerald Wiltse <jerrywil...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I understand, you are probably right. >> >> I will use this opportunity to point out what I feel is a significant >> problem in general for people in my situation (sometimes). I'm not a java >> developer, and am only trying to teach myself groovy. The problem is that >> many groovy documents and examples assume you are a Java developer trying >> to transition. Not a super huge deal, and probably unavoidable given the >> circumstances, but it's a noteworthy barrier to adoption and learning for >> the novice. I'm glad the Groovy team is working on new features, not trying >> to port endless examples and use cases from Java to Groovy, however >> unfortunately for me, many of my problems are a result of this situation. >> >> >> >> Gerald R. Wiltse >> jerrywil...@gmail.com >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Jochen Theodorou <blackd...@gmx.org> >> wrote: >> >>> but I must say, I would not classify your question as a Groovy novice >>> question. @Log just uses normal logger, if you want more, you have to set a >>> logger that can do the things you want... which is actually more a java >>> question then >>> >>> Am 08.01.2016 um 19:47 schrieb Gerald Wiltse: >>> >>>> Ok, you guys got it :) >>>> >>>> Gerald R. Wiltse >>>> jerrywil...@gmail.com <mailto:jerrywil...@gmail.com> >>>> 248-893-9110 (c) >>>> 888-248-7095 (p) >>>> 888-272-6046 (f) >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Jochen Theodorou <blackd...@gmx.org >>>> <mailto:blackd...@gmx.org>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I confirm what Pascal said.$ >>>> I give you my perspective on SO: >>>> I do try to answer as many question over at SO as possible... of the >>>> few Tim does leave me ;) But recently I had not so much time and the >>>> wrong setup to do these things, so I was not very active there... >>>> and even then it is easy to oversee an question at SO for me. >>>> >>>> bye blackdrag >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 08.01.2016 um 16:37 schrieb Pascal Schumacher: >>>> >>>> Hi Jerry, >>>> >>>> I think it is perfectly fine to send novice questions to the >>>> mailing >>>> list. There were a lot of these on the old user list at >>>> codehaus. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Pascal >>>> >>>> Am 8. Januar 2016 16:02:58 MEZ, schrieb Gerald Wiltse >>>> <jerrywil...@gmail.com <mailto:jerrywil...@gmail.com>>: >>>> >>>> I don't feel right posting novice level questions to the >>>> user group >>>> because it seems it should be more for language-level >>>> discussion. >>>> >>>> At the same time, I'm stuck when I don't get any responses >>>> to >>>> Groovy-related questions on StackOverflow: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34574498/groovy-log-to-file-log-annotation >>>> >>>> Is there any novice level Groovy-Specific forum, IRC Room, >>>> or >>>> otherwise, where such questions would be appropriate? >>>> >>>> It's also hard because so many solutions on the internet >>>> are for >>>> Grails or Gradle, and as a novice who does not use those, >>>> I'm just >>>> not sure how many of those things translate to my use >>>> cases. >>>> >>>> Also, FYI, Thanks to everyone who does post answers to >>>> questions on >>>> Stackoverflow/exchange/etc (special mention to Tim Yates, >>>> who's >>>> posts are always amazing). >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Jerry >>>> >>>> Gerald R. Wiltse >>>> jerrywil...@gmail.com <mailto:jerrywil...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:jerrywil...@gmail.com <mailto:jerrywil...@gmail.com>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >
