On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Owen Rubel <oru...@gmail.com> wrote: > no that wasnt it... it was in 2005 on his now defunct blog.
I think that is just a reposting of the original article to his new blog. At least it contains the "famous quote". However, when people mention the quote to me I respond with, "Thank goodness he hadn't know about Scala." Scala may be a great language, but for me what makes Groovy the hands down winner is syntax; being able to rename a .java file to .groovy and have it be 99% correct (often 100%) is a huge benefit. Of course Java and Groovy syntax have started to diverge, but I always get the feeling that in some places Scala changes the syntax just to be contrary. Keith > > But yes. Seeing it now through different eyes, I feel for him but I also feel > for the group for having to make rough decisions. > > It's never easy for people to have to do those things and its never easy for > someone to let go of something they created. > > Perhaps James saying 'Groovy is crap' helps him to let go of it > psychologically... which is a great way to help him heal and I'm sure he is > past that alot by now. > > We all have hurt and we just have to rise above it and be introspective and > look inside ourselves and try to see what we can learn and derive from it. In > reading that conversation, I learned alot about what happened and I guess > about myself too. It was very eye opening in how mature every one was... made > me feel like I had alot to learn. > > I just thought it a nice restrospect on the leadership and how they weathered > hard times together... not a pointing of a finger at an individual who > reacted in a moment of weakness. Otherwise I would spend most of the time > pointing at myself. > > > Owen Rubel > 415-971-0976 > oru...@gmail.com > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Jochen Theodorou <blackd...@gmx.org> wrote: > Am 09.10.2015 um 19:30 schrieb Owen Rubel: > I write a few articles about Groovy and every now and then I have a > Scala fanatic through the James Strachan quote in my face. You know the > one? The one where he is quoted on a Scala blog saying how if he had > known about Scala when he was writing Groovy, he would have never > created it'?? > > The funny thing is, they never ask why he would have not created Groovy if he > had known Groovy. It's because making a language is hard work, and it is much > better to lean back and let others do the job. > > And I am not only talking about coding work. You have to fight language > trolls all the time. People that say programming language is rubbish because > of one small feature... Like some say C is bad, because it evals an int 0 to > the boolean false. > > I always feel that James is the type that likes to test things out and go > from one new thing to the next. Someone that likes challenges. But that type > also often has a problem finishing things. A programming language takes years > to develop. That's normally too long for that type. Other new cool things pop > up and take attention. Also having a small team develop a language is quite > the time consuming job. And a lot of that is not programming, but discussion. > That's also not for that type. I very well remember that first time I > attended a Groovy developers meeting.... that have been heated discussions > back then. Today this works entirely different. > > To me it is no wonder James left after he did see things can go on without > him. > > I always like to say to people that he wasn't that involved with the > project and he left early on... but I always wanted to know what > happened. And the truth would make you so proud of your current leaders > that I had to share. > > He did a lot of work for early Groovy - so you can't say he wasn't that > involved. He was one of the driving forces of early Groovy times. But that > was, about 1-2 years? And we are talking here about 11 years in total and I > think 2 years before Groovy 1.0 > > Apparently as the team was pushing to hit their 1.0 launch, James was > dragging his feet and there was some pushback (at least from what I can > tell). > > This all came to a head when James published an article on his blog > entitled 'Groovy is Dead' (article not available - if someone has this, > I would LOVE to read). > > Here you are: > http://macstrac.blogspot.de/2009/04/scala-as-long-term-replacement-for.html > > > [...] > > bye blackdrag > > -- > Jochen "blackdrag" Theodorou > blog: http://blackdragsview.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------ Research Associate Department of Computer Science Vassar College Poughkeepsie, NY
